Expand/Collapse tab stacks



  • Very absent from Opera 12

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  • Agree * 1000 !

    The current Vivaldi process is to move up the mouse on the stack, wait for thumbnails pop-up, move back down the mouse on thumbnail, and select. So long and fastidious when repeated often!



  • My only issue with this is that it is hard to hit the small icon. A better method is needed to expand and collapse tab stacks. The right-click context menu is already too long. Double-click is already used to close tabs.



  • @pesala That's true.
    However, imho it would still be a big improvement:

    • For the moment, the difficulty is present every time we want to display an other tab of the stack.
    • With this feature, it would be the case only when we expand the stack. Then, quick and efficient view as long as we are working on the tabs which are in this stack.

    About the double click, you're right, not easy to find a relevant shortcut. But for people who use double click to close, I assume that in this case they don't use middle click (which does the same thing). It could be a choice between "expand stack double click / close tab middle click" and vice-versa.



  • I am waiting for Opera 11/12 Tab Stacking comeback!



  • @guilimote I would far rather middle-click to see the stack than use middle-click for close tab (the opposite of what it means in every other context!). I hate the stack popup, because it's one of those features that adds hazard zones to your mousing, and it's right between my menu and address bar, and even besides that, it has to be in the tab bar which is entirely buttons. Terrible place for mousing hazard zones!

    I'd be ok with double-click opening the stack view, or with any clicky solution (left click, even, makes fine sense to me) if had "close tab" at the top of the tab context menu.

    What about a long left-click? Switching tabs is ever so slightly faster but it's a good special case tab select input and probably adequately responsive with the right timing.



  • Will be awesome if combine with this:

    Option to Create Tab-stack by Ctrl-clicking or Middle-clicking on Links
    https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24335/option-to-create-tab-stack-by-ctrl-clicking-or-middle-clicking-on-links



  • I miss this feature since the beta of Vivaldi. I thought it would come fast but ...



  • I propose a variation of a feature from 7+ Taskbar Tweaker for Windows:
    If a focused tab belongs to a tab stack, expand this tab stack. While switching to another tab stack, currently focused tab stack gets collapsed, and different tab stack gets expanded.

    An example of how it works with 7+ Taskbar Tweaker:

    a Vivaldi window is focused, so all Vivaldi windows gets ungrouped
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    an Explorer window gets focused, so all Explorer windows gets ungrouped, while the Vivaldi windows gets grouped again
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    The advantage of this approach is that no keyboard or mouse shortcut is used, so it's intuitive. I really like, how it works with the Tweaker, it's practical.



  • Is there any technical barrier that can not easily be done?
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    (sorry XD)



  • @awking I don't imagine that it is a technical difficulty, just a matter of 1000 feature requests not being achievable by a small team of developers working hard to fix bugs and regressions, while also trying to add and test new features.



  • Instead of or in addition to changing sub-tab icons, one could also use the system of classic opera: Expand tab stack display to a group of normal tabs only connected by colour.

    I would even prefer this 'cause I never need to work with more than three groups simultaneously, so I can fit them all as normal tabs into a normal wide tab bar. I just tab stacks to sort out twenty+ other groups of 3-8 tabs each that I do not need right now, but probably in five minutes. In classic opera I just changed which tabs are collaped and which are not. In Vivaldi I have to unstack and restack every time 'cause direct access via subtab-icons in stacks is impossible. And even with larger icons I doubt it will become comfortable for more than four tabs per stack.



  • @Pesala said in Open/Close tab stacking:

    My only issue with this is that it is hard to hit the small icon. A better method is needed to expand and collapse tab stacks.

    Until a better method is found I would vastly prefer the arrows to expand and collapse the stack over the "nothing" solution we have right now.

    Apart from that I had never and still don't have any issues with clicking the stack arrows in old Opera - because even if the tabs shrunk down to a minuscule size because I once again got totally over board with the number of tabs in one window (Why? Because I can!), the stack arrow icon always remains the same size - quite unlike the 1*1px size "bars" at the top of a tab stack now or the total blocking of the UI when the stack gets too big (like e.g. 80 tabs in one stack on a 1080p screen)



  • @QuHno said in Open/Close tab stacking:

    Until a better method is found

    How about, expanding the Tab Stack when one of its tabs is active?



  • @QuHno said in Open/Close tab stacking:

    Until a better method is found I would vastly prefer the arrows to expand and collapse the stack over the "nothing" solution we have right now.

    But you can use double click. It was very fast and efficient.



  • @Stardust You can, in Opera 12.18, unless "Click on tab to Minimize" is set in Additional Tab Options. There are similar conflicts in Vivaldi as double-click can be set to close the tab, and single-click can be set to minimize the active tab.

    That's why I did not suggest double-click to expand/collapse tab stacks. Although it could work for some users, it will break something for others.



  • @Pesala said in Open/Close tab stacking:

    How about, expanding the Tab Stack when one of its tabs is active?

    But no automatisms, please, if such a thing, only on click.

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    Those are 87 tabs in total. I see which tabs need my attention and they are still easily manageable - and I can move tabs between groups just by drag and drop.

    If I collapse the tab groups they don't distract me anymore and stay out of my way until I explicitly open them. It would get quite annoying if they would open as soon a tab gets active on its own or as soon as I e.g. hover over them.
    I often have 2 or 3 tab stacks expanded while I have tucked away other stacks to make space. I still keep them in sight with the most important tab selected, just in case something loads, and being able to click on it without expanding the group is sometimes necessary (for me - ymmv)

    A small improvement over the O12 implementation would be welcome though: The status indicator should show up on the collapsed group too, if one of it's background tabs shows activity.

    PS: I am not saying that O12's implementation is the best we can achieve, but for me it is the least intrusive and best working solution so far (with its own quirks, of course)


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    I am quite partial to the "Vertical stack list" mod I am using right now, as it's minimal for space and keeps things organised enough for me.

    However, it does make it next to impossible to re-order the tabs within the stack around without using the window panel, so it's not perfect.

    An ideal solution for me would be to allow expanding horizontally, but offering a vertical list if you hover over a collapsed stack.



  • @Pesala said in Open/Close tab stacking:

    You can, in Opera 12.18, unless "Click on tab to Minimize" is set in Additional Tab Options. There are similar conflicts in Vivaldi as double-click can be set to close the tab, and single-click can be set to minimize the active tab.
    That's why I did not suggest double-click to expand/collapse tab stacks. Although it could work for some users, it will break something for others.

    I know, but double-click to close the tab is disabled by default. So if the user wants to use double-click there might be some notification that double-click will not be available in tab stacking. 🚧



  • @Guilimote said in Open/Close tab stacking:

    It could be a choice between "expand stack double click / close tab middle click" and vice-versa.

    Good idea but needs some additional way to achieve the same result, because e.g. in my hardware setup there is no middle mouse button and no scrollwheel because I use a 4 button trackball - and then there are users who don't use or even can't use use mice at all.


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