Customizable search engines
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@0x5c That looks right. That said, I've heard nothing about it backstage at all. Of course "pipeline" basically only means its on the developers' radar. It's not a signal that it is at some given point of development, or for that matter, even started.
Still the mobile devs do seem to want to level up mobile with desktop as much as possible so, for all I know, it might even be on some dev's whiteboard.
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this is a necessary basic function for a web browser
unlike some panels with bookmarks
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@skosyrsky
Hi, it is in the pipeline of the developers, vote for the request.https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/40148/customizable-search-engines
Cheers, mib
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I'm totally for this but, as a very simple stopgap solution, you could add a few more entries to the built-in list, like Brave Search and Qwant.
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We need this functionality on Android. I would like to use the Qwant search engine by default, but the android version of Vivaldi does not allow me to do it. It's a weak point for Vivaldi.
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@fall66 said in Customizable search engines:
We need this functionality on Android. I would like to use the Qwant search engine by default, but the android version of Vivaldi does not allow me to do it. It's a weak point for Vivaldi.
The title of this topic says "Pipeline", which means that the developers of Vivaldi have this on their To Du list, but when this feature will appear is not yet certain.
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sounds like a good idea
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Yes customizable search engines would be great. like we search something on the search engine and it automatically enables that search engine in the search engine list.
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@jcprevel me too
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+1
This isn't just about esotheric search engines, even just setting parameters & using the localized version of, say, Google requires this (i.e., local domain vs .com). Product/shopping searches on .com are useless if you're not in the US&A...
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We need this
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@tiritibambix @stardepp said in Customizable search engines:
@fall66 said in Customizable search engines:
We need this functionality on Android. I would like to use the Qwant search engine by default, but the android version of Vivaldi does not allow me to do it. It's a weak point for Vivaldi.
The title of this topic says "Pipeline", which means that the developers of Vivaldi have this on their To Du list, but when this feature will appear is not yet certain.
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@stardepp That tag isn't on this thread anymore. It's been two full years. More to the point, the sudden inability to change search engines was one of the biggest things that pushed folks away from Opera to Vivaldi and that Vivaldi specifically celebrated as bringing back early on the desktop. Its lack of presence on Android and the complete lack of feedback is feeling more and more like a red flag w/r/t whether or not the Vivaldi folks are actually committed to the mission they started out on.
Hell, just the ability to ADD a new search engine would be a major change. Syncing is just a nice bonus. But being forced into only curated selections is really, really Not Okay. And that was precisely the kind of Not Okay that killed loyalty to Opera. That's why I'm particularly worried here. It would arguably be better to have no search engine integration at all.
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@viqsi said in Customizable search engines:
That tag isn't on this thread anymore
That is because the new better tag
in-progressis there instead.
As for the rest:
@nomadic said in support more search engines into vivaldi search engine list:
@abdolrezaIt existed as a feature on Desktop before the Android version was even created, so it is likely that it has always been a planned feature. They likely limited it to a set few search engines by default as a temporary fix as they worked to develop a better solution.
It will definitely take more than half an hour to code as it involves lots of pieces. There needs to be a settings page, a way to automatically add a search engine from a search box, a way to sync it with the Desktop version, and countless other changes in other places like the address bar. This also ignores all the testing that needs to be done to make sure it works correctly. All of which adds up to much more than half an hour...
So maybe give the devs a bit of a break. We know they want to add this feature, but we don't know what problems could be blocking its implementation or if they just haven't gotten to it yet given other priorities. -
@nomadic You're talking mostly about a shiny all-bells-and-whistles variant. Unless Chrome on Android is crippled beyond measurable sanity, there is nothing standing in the way w/r/t just having a place where folks can type in their own search URLs with substitution patterns like we used to have to do it way back when. Even if Chrome is that badly broken, it's possible to implement that in a simple Javascript in about an hour. Hell, I've done as much before, so as to hack search prefixes into browsers that didn't support them. Sync is a potential complication, but messing with the address bar? Come on. Bookmarklets have been capable of doing that and more for literally two decades.
I'd be much more willing to be patient if 1) they were swamped with bugfixing and lacking time to implement stuff that's been done before, 2) weren't introducing Brand New Features that nobody else has done (which arguably takes even more developmental effort - and yes, 5.0's recent release and additions is a large part of what prompts my renewed concern), or 3) this wasn't exactly the sort of "you use Our Curated Choices AND NOBODY ELSE" nonsense that ostensibly prompted JvT's departure from Opera and the start of the Vivaldi project in the first place. But none of those are the case. The only alternative case I can think of is that they just don't see it as a priority, and in light of issue #3 above, that's deeply concerning. It's not enough to start screaming "OMG VIVALDI IS DOOMED" from the hills or anything absurd like that... but it's a red flag.
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@ryonez agreed, I left opera for vivaldi when opera removed custom search only to find the feature only available on the desktop. In this world of censorship, search choice is more than just a small feature.
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@nomadic Chrome/Chromium natively supports using custom search engines. Any website that conforms to the OpenSearch format is automatically added to the list of search engines in settings when it is visited. I wonder why Vivaldi has left out this part of Chromium? No major developmental efforts from the Vivaldi team needed when the feature can be borrowed easily from Chromium source code. Although it is not a complete solution (with sync, custom url etc), it is well enough for some of us, including me.
I hope the developers have a good reason for not implementing such a basic Chromium feature. One of those reasons could be that allowing us to use custom search engines could hurt their partnership with other companies who pay Vivaldi to have their search engines included in their list.
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@mamaforrestcritter But what are you all on about?
Opera on Mobile can have more search engines. -
I left opera because they removed the custom search utility in their mobile application
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it would be so nice to have
