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Folgore101

@LonM No problem, with Vivaldi one must also know how to wait.
The expectation of pleasure is itself a pleasure. (Gotthold Ephraim Lessing)

kahukura

"A good Hunter can wait."

ROTFL

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kahukura

@ROTFL It will be well, be confident. A half baked mail client would not be a good reputation.

luetage

@kahukura I admire your patience, but it's also bad for reputation to promise an email client in the prerelease version and then take years to deliver on it. I think we can agree on that. I have said it before, but in my opinion an opt-in beta version of the client should have been released years ago. The issue is that M3 is being released with M2 users in mind (who clearly want an email-client in the browser), but this target user base is forced to rely on an outdated email client at the moment. Many will already have moved on and switched to another solution by the time M3 comes out. Switching clients is a pain and I wonder how many are going to have the will to switch yet again.

Folgore101

@luetage I still use M2 and i agree that it has been too long since the announcement of M3 and many users will be passed to other mail clients.
Perhaps the possibility to test it in Snapshots, maybe activating it from vivaldi://experiments/, would keep the interest alive but it could also be counterproductive if the version of M3 was uneven.
Unfortunately, there are few developers and making a client email does not have to be easy.

kahukura

@luetage Even if the client is released in a preproduction state the primary aim would not be to convince M2 users using it as early adopters. All it does is to blame every single data loss (and we know that people tend to use beta SW productive) and nothing more. However I see the point that it is presently Vaporware just like the famous Duke Nukem.

jon

@kahukura M3 is on the way. There is still work to be done before it is ready to be shared, but we get closer each day. Clearly we are eager to get it out to you, but not before we have fixed a few more bugs and added a bit more functionality. It is getting closer...

kahukura

@jon I hear progress is coming and am optimistic that we get an excellent mail client WIR. Good things take time, this is what I was trying to share with the impatiently waiting.

Folgore101

@jon Hi Jon, thanks for the news, i can not wait to try M3.

jon

@kahukura Yes, a number of us have been using M3 for quite a while now. A lot of things are in place and are working fine. Other things are missing and some things are a little unstable. We are working in particular on the stability side and adding a few more crucial items. In the meantime we continue to polish and add features. There will still be loose ends feature wise when we release M3, but we are in a much better shape than ever before. Personally I would not switch out M3 for any other mailer, including M2.

jon

@Folgore101 Thanks. IMHO it will be worth it. There is a reason why we are building it as there is nothing quite like it out there. The focus is productivity, just like with Vivaldi in general. Helping you be more effective in the way you prefer to work and play.

LonM

@jon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

There is a reason why we are building it as there is nothing quite like it out there.

I've used outlook, thunderbird which I found pretty "meh". I never got around to using m2 back when it was under active development.

Hearing this sounds very exciting.

kahukura

@LonM You will like it for sure. If it has the promising looks of Vivaldi Webmail with the development presently in progress, it can be nothing but good.

Seasonly

Rss feeder should be also a part of a more general monitoring solution like differential monitoring.

LonM

If and when this comes around, it would be nice if it could be plugged in to Sync. This poses some issues though: Given that some RSS feeds generate a lot of content, you don't want to clog the sync servers.

Ideally, the list of subscribed urls, folders, would be synced - that isn't any more space consuming than storing bookmarks, so a non-issue.

But it would also be nice if it could keep track of the actual messages that RSS subscriptions generate. E.g.

if I have RSS feeds on 2 machines
when they update a new article will get pushed to both
I read / delete / operate on an article on one machine
How do I avoid having to do the same action on the second machine?

Maybe if it just kept track of the timestamp or hash of a received article that would suffice.

I suppose this is one of the problems of a desktop RSS app as opposed to one of the web based solutions.

becm

@LonM keeping track of state via a RSS item guid and syncing a state for each (or the most recent) should be easy.

It may on the other hand be prudent to get ready ye olde pitchforks and torches if there are still feeds which do not use (or worse, wrongly use) this element. But this would break other readers as well…

schreck

no idea why you dont give m3 betas out for people who want to try it.
"we are working on it" is the answer, that we got also 4 years ago with my initial thread.
why that was then locked is the teams answer i guess, stop asking.

https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/4033/vivaldi-m3-mail-client-when?page=1

i personally dont believe anybody is wokring on a mail client here.
its like the yeti, everybody talks about it, but not a speck of proof anywhere..

ghpy

@schreck said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

no idea why you dont give m3 betas out for people who want to try it.

I think there are very few people who would want to try that because we are not talking about a computer game where you can easily spend a bit of leisure time trying/betatesting. With a mail client you can only really try when you have various accounts and lots of mails with different attachments coming in and going out. Plus you have the question of import from previous clients, IMAP and POP3, sync, etc.

But it is definitely not very helpful to be hearing the same "it's ready when it's ready" for several years with a little bit of "version X will contain the mail client" or "by the end of 20YY" thrown in every now and then. At some point you have to deliver or lose credibility.

Folgore101

They said that it will be released this year, along with the mobile version and other things, i could understand before the impatience but now that we have a timing I think we can relax.

For the speech not to release it to test I agree with @ghpy, even if some screenshots would not mind, the curiosity is still a lot.

For @schreck, i think that M3 is not like yeti, several users are testing it and it was accidentally released in an old version 1.xx, maybe somewhere i still have some screenshots.