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[luetage]

@Folgore101 I wouldn't hold my breath for it. But soon is definitely true… The email client itself has been said to come soon for the last 3 years. So yeah, soon I suppose it is.

[Folgore101]

@luetage For M3 it's 4 years that i wait and from what i read i think i'll have to wait a lot longer.
The RSS reader is not fundamental but allows me to remove an extension and to play with this new feature, so that it is welcome.
If then the Calendar arrives shortly i am very curious to test it because, if it does what i have in mind, i could convince the boss to make Vivaldi the main browser on PCs.

[LonM]

@Folgore101 I didn't want to get anyone's hopes too high. The level of "things" I've seen is on par with what I've seen with mail.

Namely it's left overs that the devs probably left in the public snapshots by accident.

That doesn't mean we'll get it very soon, but progress is being made.

[Folgore101]

@LonM No problem, with Vivaldi one must also know how to wait.
The expectation of pleasure is itself a pleasure. (Gotthold Ephraim Lessing)

[kahukura]

"A good Hunter can wait."

[ROTFL]

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[kahukura]

@ROTFL It will be well, be confident. A half baked mail client would not be a good reputation.

[luetage]

@kahukura I admire your patience, but it's also bad for reputation to promise an email client in the prerelease version and then take years to deliver on it. I think we can agree on that. I have said it before, but in my opinion an opt-in beta version of the client should have been released years ago. The issue is that M3 is being released with M2 users in mind (who clearly want an email-client in the browser), but this target user base is forced to rely on an outdated email client at the moment. Many will already have moved on and switched to another solution by the time M3 comes out. Switching clients is a pain and I wonder how many are going to have the will to switch yet again.

[Folgore101]

@luetage I still use M2 and i agree that it has been too long since the announcement of M3 and many users will be passed to other mail clients.
Perhaps the possibility to test it in Snapshots, maybe activating it from vivaldi://experiments/, would keep the interest alive but it could also be counterproductive if the version of M3 was uneven.
Unfortunately, there are few developers and making a client email does not have to be easy.

[kahukura]

@luetage Even if the client is released in a preproduction state the primary aim would not be to convince M2 users using it as early adopters. All it does is to blame every single data loss (and we know that people tend to use beta SW productive) and nothing more. However I see the point that it is presently Vaporware just like the famous Duke Nukem.

[jon]

@kahukura M3 is on the way. There is still work to be done before it is ready to be shared, but we get closer each day. Clearly we are eager to get it out to you, but not before we have fixed a few more bugs and added a bit more functionality. It is getting closer...

[kahukura]

@jon I hear progress is coming and am optimistic that we get an excellent mail client WIR. Good things take time, this is what I was trying to share with the impatiently waiting.

[Folgore101]

@jon Hi Jon, thanks for the news, i can not wait to try M3.

[jon]

@kahukura Yes, a number of us have been using M3 for quite a while now. A lot of things are in place and are working fine. Other things are missing and some things are a little unstable. We are working in particular on the stability side and adding a few more crucial items. In the meantime we continue to polish and add features. There will still be loose ends feature wise when we release M3, but we are in a much better shape than ever before. Personally I would not switch out M3 for any other mailer, including M2.

[jon]

@Folgore101 Thanks. IMHO it will be worth it. There is a reason why we are building it as there is nothing quite like it out there. The focus is productivity, just like with Vivaldi in general. Helping you be more effective in the way you prefer to work and play.

[LonM]

@jon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

There is a reason why we are building it as there is nothing quite like it out there.

I've used outlook, thunderbird which I found pretty "meh". I never got around to using m2 back when it was under active development.

Hearing this sounds very exciting.

[kahukura]

@LonM You will like it for sure. If it has the promising looks of Vivaldi Webmail with the development presently in progress, it can be nothing but good.

[Seasonly]

Rss feeder should be also a part of a more general monitoring solution like differential monitoring.

[LonM]

If and when this comes around, it would be nice if it could be plugged in to Sync. This poses some issues though: Given that some RSS feeds generate a lot of content, you don't want to clog the sync servers.

Ideally, the list of subscribed urls, folders, would be synced - that isn't any more space consuming than storing bookmarks, so a non-issue.

But it would also be nice if it could keep track of the actual messages that RSS subscriptions generate. E.g.

• if I have RSS feeds on 2 machines
• when they update a new article will get pushed to both
• I read / delete / operate on an article on one machine
• How do I avoid having to do the same action on the second machine?

Maybe if it just kept track of the timestamp or hash of a received article that would suffice.

I suppose this is one of the problems of a desktop RSS app as opposed to one of the web based solutions.

[becm]

@LonM keeping track of state via a RSS item guid and syncing a state for each (or the most recent) should be easy.

It may on the other hand be prudent to get ready ye olde pitchforks and torches if there are still feeds which do not use (or worse, wrongly use) this element. But this would break other readers as well…