Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home

[Ayespy]

@ingolftopf said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@Ayespy
"Banning" a long-time user, with many posts, is never nice and is never done lightly here.

This is entirely true. In the six years or so I have been moderating, I have only done it twice before. The options you mentioned are used, and were used. It is a sufficiently severe sanction that immediately after I did it, I sought the counsel of admins to see if I was being too harsh. Nothing is irreversible. But the deleted comments won't be resurrected.

[Eggcorn]

@DoctorG

#1: My point isn't specifically related to US politics. It's about social media, which is worldwide.

#2: It's relevant. I do think Vivaldi's opened itself to criticism here. Some may disagree with Vivaldi over this; even rational people may get the wrong idea about Vivaldi.

#3: @TheQuantumAlpha does raise a good question: Can Vivaldi moderate Vivaldi Social in a non-partisan manner (i.e. avoiding bias towards either the left or the right) without upsetting other Mastodon instances and getting defederated?

I could start a thread on the chit-chat forum, about if this opens a can of worms and all. But should I? Wouldn't this be the place to discuss that kind of thing? Partisan politics, siding with either the left or the right, would belong on chit-chat (if it belongs on the forum at all).

[ingolftopf]

@Ayespy said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@ingolftopf said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@Ayespy
"Banning" a long-time user, with many posts, is never nice and is never done lightly here.

This is entirely true. In the six years or so I have been moderating, I have only done it twice before.

Thank you for your comment.

[ingolftopf]

@Ayespy said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

But the deleted comments won't be resurrected.

This is probably better that way.

[ingolftopf]

@Eggcorn said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

#3: @TheQuantumAlpha does rase a good question: Can Vivaldi moderate Vivaldi Social in a non-partisan manner (i.e. avoiding bias towards either the left or the right) without upsetting the other Mastodon instances and getting defederated?

I don't understand.
Why should this not be possible?

[ingolftopf]

@Eggcorn said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

I could start a thread on the chit-chat forum, about if this opens a can of worms and all. But should I?

If it's important to you, you should do it.

What "nuts" are you always talking about here?

[ingolftopf]

@luetage said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

Do you have any new figures?

[luetage]

@ingolftopf Check it yourself, you only need to start the instance in a private window to be logged out, the home screen will show you the stats. But this stat only updates from time to time, I would try tomorrow morning.

[Catweazle]

One of the things why I like the community in the forum and I suppose also in the new social Vivaldi, is the absence of big fights.
I participate and also moderate in other forums and there are always two topics where knives fly, politics and religion and I am glad that I have a place here to rest and lower my blood pressure, at my age I am no longer for these jogs.
In any case, debates on these issues in a forum in any case do not come to anything, other than creating disagreements and enmities.

[AltCode]

@luetage @ingolftopf I'm not sure how accurate it is, but the official Mastodon app (for iOS at least) also reports how many users an instance has when you try to log in/sign up; it also seems to update more regularly. Right now, it says there 2.1K users.

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EDIT: I want to add that I'm slighttly skeptical of the number the app gives because for bigger instances, there are greater discrepancies. For example, the official app says mastodon.social has 843.4K users, while the home screen at mastodon.social says there are 186K active users.

It could be that the app is reporting how many accounts total exists in that instance, as opposed to the home screen which specifies active ones, but there's no way for me to know this.

[luetage]

@AltCode Some instances show both stats (total/active). But I think active is weekly, the discrepancy is either because Vivaldi Social takes so long to update, or for some other reason I am not aware of. Total/active should be the same for Vivaldi right now is what I’m getting at.

[Crimsonshade]

@the1avi Yup, I'm fully aware of this. The instance I chose is small and dedicated to a particular interest of mine, so I have little interest in switching. That said, I am consciously aware of the risk of having your Mastodon account hosted on a smaller instance with a single admin...

Maybe you guys can help me, actually. Assume I merged my existing small-instance Mastodon account with Vivaldi Social. If the smaller instance shut down suddenly, what would happen next? And would the direction I chose to merge them make a difference?

[Ayespy]

@Crimsonshade My impression is that you would still be a member of Vivaldi.social, but I am still not entirely clear on the rules of a user merging servers. It would only make sense that the functionality of Mastodon would seek to preserve usership.

[ingolftopf]

@luetage said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@ingolftopf Check it yourself, you only need to start the instance in a private window to be logged out, the home screen will show you the stats. But this stat only updates from time to time, I would try tomorrow morning.

Thanks for the tip, but I can't see it in my mobile, even when I'm logged out.

[ingolftopf]

@Catweazle said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

One of the things why I like the community in the forum and I suppose also in the new social Vivaldi, is the absence of big fights.
I participate and also moderate in other forums and there are always two topics where knives fly,

Political discussions need not, should not, degenerate into fights.
I hope that this will not happen here.
But I think our good moderators will take care of that.

[luetage]

@ingolftopf You can switch to desktop version on mobile, Vivaldi browser has that built in ^^

[Catweazle]

@ingolftopf , They don't have to end in brawls, but they do. As a general rule there is everyone present in a forum from the extreme right to the extreme left and debates for this reason are rarely carried out in a civilized and cultured way. They are always conflicting threads that give mods a lot of work.
Even in debates on TV after a short time only counts who yells the most and who doesn't let the other finish the argument, less in a forum.
It does not make much sense to deal with these issues in a forum, at least not in a forum that is not specifically political for any party, in this one, of course, it will not make any sense with users from all over the globe, all religions and different political realities in their countries of origin.
It must necessarily be limited to what unites us, Vivaldi and topics that may have a general interest, computing and leisure.

[luetage]

@Catweazle Well said, the problem aren’t the different views, but the urge to express these views and to argue with everyone about it. It’s a browser community Let’s complain about the lack of bookmark labels together, that’s something a furry and a pastor have in common.

[Ayespy]

@Catweazle said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

It must necessarily be limited to what unites us...

This is an interesting and possibly really accurate way to put it.

[Eggcorn]

@Catweazle said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

[T]here is everyone present in a forum from the extreme right to the extreme left and debates for this reason are rarely carried out in a civilized and cultured way.

No, that's not quite it. The problem isn't extreme views; much of what's mainstream today was once on the extreme fringe of politics. Simply holding an extreme political view doesn't make you a bad person, it doesn't make you impolite, and it doesn't make you incapable of being civil with people who have opposing viewpoints. It just means you reject the political ideals of your time.

The problem is much less where someone is on the political spectrum, and much more that some people can't play nice with those who have opposing viewpoints. Some people see disagreeing with them as an attack on them, and react to that "attack". It's not just in politics, but politics does seem to attract those types!

@ingolftopf said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

What "nuts" are you always talking about here?

That largely answers your question.