Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home

[Havokdan]

@luetage said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@Havokdan You can download the mobile version from the play store ☛ https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vivaldi.browser&gl=US or install it directly ☛ https://vivaldi.com/android/

Sorry, I'm using the google translator to speak here, when I referred to the mobile version, I was referring to the website of the social network of Vivaldi to place as an item in the sidebar of the browser, which I use mobile versions of the sites to place there.

[luetage]

@Havokdan Ahh, sorry. Yes, I’m using the mobile version of Vivaldi Social as webpanel as well. It works fine in my opinion. All webpanels load mobile versions of web pages by default.

[Havokdan]

@luetage I wanted the url to put here in my Vivaldi browser or when I put the normal url as a webpanel it goes to the mobile version automatically?

[luetage]

@Havokdan You can either use the »add webpanel button« in the panel and input the URL there, or alternatively open the instance as webpage, right‐click and select »add page as webpanel«. Both will open the instance in a webpanel with mobile view by default. You can right‐click the webpanel to check this. It will give you the option to show the desktop version when you are on the mobile version and vice versa.

[Eggcorn]

@TheQuantumAlpha I won't go that far, but I fear this opens up a can of worms.

For example: Will Vivaldi Social federate with the more controversial Mastodon instances, such as Gab and Truth Social? If it doesn't: It will look like Vivaldi's for censorship of reasonable and moderate political views. If it does: Gab is a free speech instance, and the price of free speech is that people are free to spew verbal diarrhea.

Perhaps allow the user to choose what instances he wants to see, that could help soften the can of worms.

[luetage]

@Eggcorn Truth Social just uses Mastodon code (which they tried to hide initially), it isn’t federating with anything. And you can read more about Gab here ☛ https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/

If you want that kind of content, Vivaldi Social is not for you.

[Eggcorn]

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[DoctorG]

JoinMastodon lists vivaldi.social on their page

[Eggcorn]

@luetage I've already read that article you linked to, and I don't really agree it makes a good case.

There is an intelligent non-political case to be made for a Mastodon instance not federating with Gab and I made that case in my prior comment. The price of free speech is that people are free to say terrible things. So if you federate with Gab, you see those terrible things.

If the article had said that, I'd have respected it. But it didn't. The article got political in what I felt was an ugly way. Accusations of racism don't advance reason in most cases.

The existence of that article only reinforces my point: People won't view the decision to federate with Gab, or not, in practical non-political terms. I think that makes Vivaldi's starting a Mastodon instance vulnerable to criticism.

[DoctorG]

@Eggcorn US poltics content? Do me a favour, post in Chit Chat forum.

[luetage]

@Eggcorn It’s political nuts all around, no matter the ideology. Vivaldi makes it pretty clear in their code of conduct and in the server rules featured on Vivaldi Social what kind of content is welcome and what you can forget about. Stick to the rules and you won’t run into issues. If you can live with that, good, if not you have a problem, because you agreed to these rules when creating a Vivaldi account. No point in being salty about it now.

[ingolftopf]

@DoctorG
Thank you for the link.

[ingolftopf]

@DoctorG
Good idea, let's see

[Ayespy]

@ingolftopf said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@Ayespy
"Banning" a long-time user, with many posts, is never nice and is never done lightly here.

This is entirely true. In the six years or so I have been moderating, I have only done it twice before. The options you mentioned are used, and were used. It is a sufficiently severe sanction that immediately after I did it, I sought the counsel of admins to see if I was being too harsh. Nothing is irreversible. But the deleted comments won't be resurrected.

[Eggcorn]

@DoctorG

#1: My point isn't specifically related to US politics. It's about social media, which is worldwide.

#2: It's relevant. I do think Vivaldi's opened itself to criticism here. Some may disagree with Vivaldi over this; even rational people may get the wrong idea about Vivaldi.

#3: @TheQuantumAlpha does raise a good question: Can Vivaldi moderate Vivaldi Social in a non-partisan manner (i.e. avoiding bias towards either the left or the right) without upsetting other Mastodon instances and getting defederated?

I could start a thread on the chit-chat forum, about if this opens a can of worms and all. But should I? Wouldn't this be the place to discuss that kind of thing? Partisan politics, siding with either the left or the right, would belong on chit-chat (if it belongs on the forum at all).

[ingolftopf]

@Ayespy said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@ingolftopf said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

@Ayespy
"Banning" a long-time user, with many posts, is never nice and is never done lightly here.

This is entirely true. In the six years or so I have been moderating, I have only done it twice before.

Thank you for your comment.

[ingolftopf]

@Ayespy said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

But the deleted comments won't be resurrected.

This is probably better that way.

[ingolftopf]

@Eggcorn said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

#3: @TheQuantumAlpha does rase a good question: Can Vivaldi moderate Vivaldi Social in a non-partisan manner (i.e. avoiding bias towards either the left or the right) without upsetting the other Mastodon instances and getting defederated?

I don't understand.
Why should this not be possible?

[ingolftopf]

@Eggcorn said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

I could start a thread on the chit-chat forum, about if this opens a can of worms and all. But should I?

If it's important to you, you should do it.

What "nuts" are you always talking about here?

[ingolftopf]

@luetage said in Introducing Vivaldi Social, your new federated social-networking home:

Do you have any new figures?