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@MattSolo45 you know that insisting on asking for it doesn't make it happen earlier? What if they don't know themselves and don't want to make promises they can't fulfil?
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@iAN-CooG Vivaldi is a product whose slogan is Browser for our friends or Created for the freedom of the user so I can write what I think. So if it's for us, why doesn't Vivaldi inform us about the progress of work, e.g. mobile version, or anything else, until they say it's good. With not one other company or programmer with a similar system of values I can easily learn about how the work goes and what will be done next.
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@MattSolo45 said in Mobile Browser Version:
why doesn't Vivaldi inform us about the progress of work, e.g. mobile version,
Actually, you are informed about progress of work. You were informed when it was in development, you have been informed that it is in testing, you have heard from Jon that he anticipates it will be out this year, but it is impossible to predict what state it will reach by what time.
I can attest from what is now years of experience, that receiving daily changelogs on the progress of a software product can be quite misleading for a user or a tester in estimating how far we have come and how far we have to go. At times, months worth of work has to be discarded and a fresh start taken when it comes to this or that aspect of the product, because although the prior direction of development could lead to a product, it would never be a satisfactory one. And to stick to one path because "we've come too far to change now" is simply short-sighted.
We see evidence of this in the histories of Windows, Chrome, multiple AV products, Quickbooks, MS Office, and software products too numerous to mention. Their management makes a work plan and sticks to it, even when it leads to an inferior result.
So what Vivaldi does is let us know when things are ready, not when they are 66% ready, because today's 66% may turn into tomorrow's 15%, and then imagine the outcry.
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That said, everyone is welcome to express themselves in a friendly and civil fashion. Everyone is free to put in their two cents worth. And no matter what users post, the developers will continue to do their level best to get out each product and each feature as soon as they possibly can, irrespective of the clamor outside the door. Vivaldi is developed "for" our friends, but not "by" our friends.
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In a workshop in my town there is a sign, which says "We have 3 ways of working, fast, good and cheap. The customer can choose 2 of them'. With Vivaldi I also like the result to be of quality, although it takes longer to do so.
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@MattSolo45 I'm sorry to read that you feel angry and disappointed about Vivaldi's latest development. While I understand your frustration, please bear in mind that it takes time to build a good product (Firefox, Chrome, Internet Explorer and Opera took more than 10 years to be where they are today). We’re still a small team. Sorry for testing your patience but please don’t hurry in dropping us right away. We are extremely close to our android launch. We would not want to loose you. As genuine is your feedback and disappointment, your constructive feedback for our mobile is extremely critical for us. We request you to stay on. There are good times ahead.
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@gaelle This is another answer, which is intended to take the subject further away. I'm more interested in why Vivaldi, although he might not show up a little bit his mobile version. Everyone knows it's not finished yet and it'll take some time before it's okay. What stands in the way of me showing it? Vivaldi's fear of a competition that will copy the solutions? Although they will do it anyway. Fear that a given option will not be available for release or will disappear temporarily? I think we live in times when we see that something was cut out because it wasn't ready or just didn't fit (especially in the game development process). So I don't know and I don't understand why Vivaldi won't do it. It's just stupid. You want users to respect peace of mind and give developers time to work quietly, and at the same time the time they give users is less important to you. For example, I don't want to give time now for something that will be later, so I prefer to put it off and devote time to what is now and thus do not waste time on a great expectation because someone said so. And further translations from @Ayespy or @Catweazle are redundant, because whoever is sitting on the forum already knows their standard formulas for defending Vivaldi and it leads to the same thing all the time.
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We all look forward to the version for Android (and iPhone), but we know that it involves a lot of work to have more than just a browser more like other dozens in the appstore. Ok, knowing the development status may be interesting for some users, but for most it would not be relevant, rather than observing a very slow download bar. Surely we would be the first to have the information when the first version is ready for use, before appearing in the store. It makes no sense to ask repeatedly "How much is still missing?"
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@MattSolo45 On the contrary. @gaelle said we're extremely close to launch. I'm glad she did say it, because that's one of those things we testers actually don't know, and couldn't say if we did. I'm pleased to hear it's extremely close. @gaelle would not say it if it weren't so.
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This makes sense. I would get out a version of mobile to interns and testers before the big summer break collecting lots of feedback. After the summer break (which ended last week) there is time to look at the feedback and work on the bugs for some weeks before getting out the first public mobile version.
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The Android version is the only thing holding me back from using Vivaldi daily (a bit faster on pc would be nice tho). I hope the developers are satisfied with the work
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So this is the best time to leave Vivaldi alone and wait until it matures until autumn. It's time to switch to another browser
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@MattSolo45 Let me make a "prophecy":
- Vivaldi will release the first public beta for Android in a few days....
- and then you will be disappointed...
- and then you will be here again saying that you were expecting something else with more features and customization.
Please have patience. As an Android developer (not for Vivaldi) I can tell you that is more difficult to design and develop an app for Android than more people think.
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@weril You're wrong. On the contrary, when the first version of vivaldi is released I may be disappointed maybe not, but I will still expect further updates, because the first versions of the programs are not the final one. This logic is wrong, because you accuse me that I will not like this version right away. I'm just as disappointed with the version that could be released in the next few days and the unannounced release date in the fall. So if she would have gone out in a few days, I can mark out her mistakes as well as the one with the one in the fall like any other person (great discovery, isn't @weril ?
).And as for your prophecies, you are not going to be a fairy. Forgive me, you have no gift for this.
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Just trying to brighten things up. Have been waiting for mobile version of Vivaldi since 2015, though i did not really use Vivaldi during that period, just have been looking after it
It's inspiring enough to know it's being developed and there's a test version running somewhere. It's promising enough for me to actually start using desktop version.
Though seeing how great syncing feature works with my MacOS and Windows machines and not having it on mobile is a pity, but it's been a long time since i anticipated a software release, so it's sort of fun
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Will it have two versions in Vivaldi Mobile: stable and snapshot like Opera and Opera Beta or will it be necessary to sign up for beta like Opera Touch ?
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@MattSolo45 This has not been mentioned to us testers.
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Hooray! I'm so excited about this I ran into the living room and told my fiancée - who couldn't care less, haha. I literally had just been installing several browsers on my phone trying to find one that was somewhat decent for my needs when I saw some page mention Vivaldi for mobile. I see I'm actually 2 days late; I could have not bothered with these other browsers, but I'm took happy to care.
I've been using other browsers like Firefox or Chrome to sync my mobile bookmarks to my desktop, then importing them into Vivaldi, deduplicating & organizing them, exporting the results and finally sometimes importing back into the secondary browser after deleting the bookmarks there. Unfortunately, this was a terrible workaround. Firefox would fail to sync the deletions and I'd have to manually delete them all on mobile, and the sync also failed to bring all my bookmarks to mobile and failed to sync them into three correct folders. Chrome sync seems to at least work correctly (there did appear to be an issue, but I'm not going to bother investigating it now), however Chrome has some real performance issues handling a bookmark library the size of mine. When creating new folders, or editing/moving a bookmark there is always a long delay before the app is responsive and loads the next dialog. Creating new bookmarks would make the entire browser very choppy.
Now Vivaldi has a mobile browser, and I know I'm not the only person extremely pleased with the release. I understand it's beta, there will be issues and some features of course still need to be completed and brought to the mobile app. This will not prevent me from making Vivaldi my daily driver on my phone. I will submit any feedback or bug reports as necessary to help you guys out (I was a QA Manager in the tech sector in a previous career, so hopefully I can be of some help).
But I just had to load the forum and write this post add the very first thing I did with Vivaldi on my phone. I haven't even synced my data or installed my extensions yet. I still have to give the app a complete review to see what is included and what is still on the to do list.
Thank you Vivaldi team & community for getting us to this point. Keep up the great work!
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@nPHYN1T3
Hi, Android older than 5 is really ancient and used from about 7% of all Android user.
I guess it will never work on 4.4 or older from playstore.
As Chrome is working on 4.4 you may check install manually from .apk, you get it on download page.Cheers, mib
