Vivaldi for iOS
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I don't know what Duck Duck Go uses as their rendering engine on other platforms - one source says Webview which is Chromium based. Yet Duck Duck Go is able to provide a browser with significant privacy and ui features on iOS - presumably using the Webkit engine.
I get that this creates more work than simply being able to use something like Chromium on iOS but clearly it's doable and they found it worthwhile. I also think that it wouldn't be a bad thing for Vivaldi to have some expertise and exposure to an alternative web engine. We've seen clearly that Chromium could take a turn that makes Vivaldi's mission more difficult at any time. It's good to have options.
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Hi
New to Vivaldi, but happy so far. My question is if Vivaldi is available for IOS? -
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“Not in the foreseeable future,” is the short answer. There are many previous threads on this topic. Vivaldi for IOS
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@Brian66 It's planned, but not for the near future.
It will require an extensive re-build of Vivaldi just for the iOS platform, because Apple prohibits browsers on iOS which use Chromium engine as Vivaldi does.
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Couldn't Vivaldi use react native? They would still have to rewrite much of the browser, but not from scratch. And I don't know why everyone is complaining about webkit when Vivaldi doesn't mess with the rendering engine. A quick search for 'how to make an ios browser with react native' turns up plenty of results, like this one:
https://medium.com/codesight/creating-an-embedded-browser-with-react-native-aea42b54740
And this one:
https://github.com/shirakaba/react-native-web-browser-app
And this one:
https://github.com/d-a-n/react-native-webbrowserAnd remember, all we iOS users really need is sync. Vivaldi could name their iOS version something slightly different (Vivaldi Touch, Vivi, Vivaldi Lite), to make it clear that it will not have as many features or be the exact same as desktop.
In fact, even just a Vivaldi app for notes and bookmarks/history/open tabs would be enough, if it is really too hard to make an iOS browser. -
I should be able to access my Vivaldi sync data from another device.
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@code3 There's no web interface yet. No projection as to when there might be.
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@Ayespy I know. Very sad. Vivaldi needs
- An easy way to export and import data in a compatible format, similar to takeout.google.com.
- Either a web interface OR iOS app for accessing Notes and Bookmarks and Synced Tabs.
I hope these get done soon, but that may not be likely.
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Absolutely, it's all about the sync!
Although I certainly wouldn't want to see the precious Vivaldi developers wasting time writing a whole new version for Webkit. What they've already achieved is stellar, but it would be a waste of resource to then fork the code to a whole new iteration, then try keep it up to date.
But can we just rephrase the problem? Of course we'd all love Vivaldi qua Vivaldi on ipad, but is there a lesser step requiring significantly less effort?
Suppose you're going on a long hike and there will be some lakes in the way. So you take some crappy primitive inflatable canoe to get across them with your kit. No way would you use that canoe on a real boating trip or on rivers, but for this role, it will suffice. It's a compatibility add on for transit across all terrains. In the same way, a primitive version of Vivaldi that runs on iOS and syncs bookmarks, would allow one to transit across all 4 common platforms (Win10, Macos, Android & iOS), maintaining contact with your basic work stuff.
As far as I know, one can use the Chromium project to fork a new build, and that could be a 'Vivaldi Workflow' primitive browser, which runs on iOS. That would make a lot of us very happy.
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@stardepp
Thanks! Here's a link direct to that point in the video:
https://youtu.be/zhkkFcEwCBo?t=1192I certainly wouldn't want to see the precious Vivaldi developers wasting time writing a whole new version for Webkit. What they've already achieved is stellar, but it would be a waste of resource to then fork the code to a whole new iteration, then try keep it up to date.
But can we just rephrase the problem? Of course we'd all love Vivaldi qua Vivaldi on ipad, but is there a lesser step requiring significantly less effort?
Suppose you're going on a long hike and there will be some lakes in the way. So you take some crappy primitive inflatable canoe to get across them with your kit. No way would you use that canoe on a real boating trip or on rivers, but for this role, it will suffice. It's a something you add on to enable you to transit across all terrains and complete the entire trip. In the same way, a primitive version of Vivaldi that runs on iOS and syncs bookmarks, would allow one to transit across all 4 common platforms (Win10, Macos, Android & iOS), maintaining contact with your basic work stuff.
The CEO talks about using the Chromium project to fork a new build on iOS. You could call it 'Vivaldi Basic' or something to emphasise that it is just a basic browser that syncs to your Vivaldi bookmark data. I could even cope with it not having tabs! But it would just allow me, in extremis, to access all my vital bookmark / project data.
In terms of usefulness, I think an ipad version is more useful than an iphone one. But again, I have a few apps on my ipad that are iphone only, so I have to turn the ipad to portrait mode to use them. It's not the end of the world! So whichever version is easiest to produce, I'd be happy with.
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@Ayespy said in Vivaldi for iOS:
perhaps, merely re-brand/re-skin what would essentially still be Safari or Chrome
Just my two cents, but I think a majority of your users would be fine with that, at least as a starting point. Id much rather have a re-skin of chrome but with Vivaldi sync on my iOS devices, than to not use Vivaldi at all because I cant sync my Tabs, bookmarks, and logins.
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@relink <MyOpinion> An iOS version of Vivaldi is certainly technically possible but it won't be a trivial endeavour. The Vivaldi UI on Android is implemented (to a large degree) using native widgets, so all of that work would need to be re-done for iOS. That's the easy part. The even bigger challenge is porting "Vivaldi" and integrating it with the iOS Chromium base, which is a harder task (and comes with more restrictions) than it is for Android.
At the very least, it will require dedicated iOS developers to implement and support.
</MyOpinion>I don't know how doable an iOS version of Vivaldi actually is. I also have absolutely no clue as to what Vivaldi's plans for it may be either. I just hope to see it offered on iOS some day.
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@Knuthf
You think Apple is spying? Microsoft is worse. Windows 10 is one huge piece of spyware. -
(Putting my Mod hat on) Please, this has been a nice, quiet discussion so far.
Let's not start discussing or debating stuff like this here, or taking this thread off-topic. Thanks!You think Apple is spying? Microsoft is worse. Windows 10 is one huge piece of spyware.
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@xyzzy Even Opera took a long time to make Opera Mini for iOS (tho Opera has since silently killed off Opera Mini for iOS) and I do remember the post when they announced it and then it was many months later before they released it. Also for many years iOS and macOS the code was a little different between the 2 OSes. A lot of people don't relive how much time and energy has to go into programing software and how each platform has its own restrictions and other requirements.
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Will it ever happen? For years now I have had macOS Vivaldi, I continue to use it for specific tasks but have held back from using it as my default because I cannot use it across all my devices. It really is a great browser but as I constantly swap between devices I really need a browser that syncs between them all.
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Heard that Google forked webkit to make blink. Maybe it could be possible. But yea iPhone's suck all together.
Coming from Linux i like to feel like I can customize my phone to the way i like and with iPhone's you get what you get.
You can change some things and add a few widgets but that's about it when if comes to trying to make your phone yours.
Now i don't like android phones cause android sends 20% more data then apple. But still rather be on android for the customization.
Once Linux phones start getting better
With better specs. I'm moving to Linux phones. -
@xyzzy I hate to say it but until Vivaldi can compete with the "big four" it's never going to be considered a competitive browser. There really are only two real platforms Macintosh and Windows(sorry Linux). If a browser cannot compete on them both it's doomed to be relegated to eventual obscurity. As good as Vivaldi is it can only be a part time browser for any Mac user if it has no continuity with Apple's portable devices.
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@Annerod I did not mean for my last post to have a pessimistic tone. Looking at that interview video with @jon from almost a year ago, it's clear that Vivaldi really wants to release a version of Vivaldi on iOS. Fortunately and unfortunately, they also will not share any news with us until they have something to announce... and I respect them for that.