Vivaldi for iOS
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@Gixxa said in Vivaldi for iOS:
@16patsle said in Vivaldi for iOS:
and I expect they will just use that (Chromium) as a base
Not on iOS. iOS will always us Webkit (Safari) as an engine. So i see no benefit of Vivaldi on iOS expect for bookmarks if you use sync.
I think what they meant is Chromium iOS. The chromium project also includes the source code for their iOS port. It's the way all other Chromium based iOS browsers (new Edge, Brave, etc.) are built. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/ios/build_instructions.md
What it uses as the rendering engine isn't relevant, the point is that Chromium project provides an iOS browser that you can fork and build. I would assume most of the UI is reusable from Chromium Android seeing as how most Chromium iOS browsers almost completely share their UI with their android counterpart. Brave iOS looks exactly like Brave Android - including the fly over menus, etc. Same for new Edge.
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I just wanted to second the suggestion that someone else mentioned about just being able to sync tabs.
What I mean is if an iOS port is out of the realm of current possibility, even just a simple app that pulled in Bookmarks and Open Tabs/History would probably accomplish a lot of what most are asking for. Or even just a web page where I can log into and see an up to date list of the tabs open on desktop.
At the end of the day, what people really want is just to be able to continue working from one device to the other. If there was a simple way for me to be on mobile, and view the open tabs on my desktop, that would accomplish the vast majority of what I'd want from a mobile browser.
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Hello
I was almost shocked when I realized that you can only find Android under Mobile and not iOS as well. Please don't make the mistake of leaving the whole iOS world out.
You can certainly help yourself for the time being if the calendars and contacts can be synchronized via caldav and carddav. But without cardav and then no iOS support, it will be very scary!Greetings Haldex
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@Haldex, it will not be forgotten, but the problem is more Apple's restrictive policy regarding third-party browsers, with the obligation to use WebKit as an engine, which makes the development of a browser for this platform extremely difficult for a small company like Vivaldi.
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Vivaldi's Ceo Jon von Tetzchner talks about the development of Vivaldi for iOS in this interview starting at minute 19'52 '':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhkkFcEwCBo&feature=emb_title
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@Catweazle said in Do not forgett iOS!:
@Haldex, it will not be forgotten, but the problem is more Apple's restrictive policy regarding third-party browsers, with the obligation to use WebKit as an engine, which makes the development of a browser for this platform extremely difficult for a small company like Vivaldi.
Ok, I understand. But then please just carddav and that way you can work with very good existing iOS apps.
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I don't know what Duck Duck Go uses as their rendering engine on other platforms - one source says Webview which is Chromium based. Yet Duck Duck Go is able to provide a browser with significant privacy and ui features on iOS - presumably using the Webkit engine.
I get that this creates more work than simply being able to use something like Chromium on iOS but clearly it's doable and they found it worthwhile. I also think that it wouldn't be a bad thing for Vivaldi to have some expertise and exposure to an alternative web engine. We've seen clearly that Chromium could take a turn that makes Vivaldi's mission more difficult at any time. It's good to have options.
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New to Vivaldi, but happy so far. My question is if Vivaldi is available for IOS? -
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“Not in the foreseeable future,” is the short answer. There are many previous threads on this topic. Vivaldi for IOS
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@Brian66 It's planned, but not for the near future.
It will require an extensive re-build of Vivaldi just for the iOS platform, because Apple prohibits browsers on iOS which use Chromium engine as Vivaldi does.
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Couldn't Vivaldi use react native? They would still have to rewrite much of the browser, but not from scratch. And I don't know why everyone is complaining about webkit when Vivaldi doesn't mess with the rendering engine. A quick search for 'how to make an ios browser with react native' turns up plenty of results, like this one:
https://medium.com/codesight/creating-an-embedded-browser-with-react-native-aea42b54740
And this one:
https://github.com/shirakaba/react-native-web-browser-app
And this one:
https://github.com/d-a-n/react-native-webbrowserAnd remember, all we iOS users really need is sync. Vivaldi could name their iOS version something slightly different (Vivaldi Touch, Vivi, Vivaldi Lite), to make it clear that it will not have as many features or be the exact same as desktop.
In fact, even just a Vivaldi app for notes and bookmarks/history/open tabs would be enough, if it is really too hard to make an iOS browser. -
I should be able to access my Vivaldi sync data from another device.
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@code3 There's no web interface yet. No projection as to when there might be.
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@Ayespy I know. Very sad. Vivaldi needs
- An easy way to export and import data in a compatible format, similar to takeout.google.com.
- Either a web interface OR iOS app for accessing Notes and Bookmarks and Synced Tabs.
I hope these get done soon, but that may not be likely.
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Absolutely, it's all about the sync!
Although I certainly wouldn't want to see the precious Vivaldi developers wasting time writing a whole new version for Webkit. What they've already achieved is stellar, but it would be a waste of resource to then fork the code to a whole new iteration, then try keep it up to date.
But can we just rephrase the problem? Of course we'd all love Vivaldi qua Vivaldi on ipad, but is there a lesser step requiring significantly less effort?
Suppose you're going on a long hike and there will be some lakes in the way. So you take some crappy primitive inflatable canoe to get across them with your kit. No way would you use that canoe on a real boating trip or on rivers, but for this role, it will suffice. It's a compatibility add on for transit across all terrains. In the same way, a primitive version of Vivaldi that runs on iOS and syncs bookmarks, would allow one to transit across all 4 common platforms (Win10, Macos, Android & iOS), maintaining contact with your basic work stuff.
As far as I know, one can use the Chromium project to fork a new build, and that could be a 'Vivaldi Workflow' primitive browser, which runs on iOS. That would make a lot of us very happy.
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@stardepp
Thanks! Here's a link direct to that point in the video:
https://youtu.be/zhkkFcEwCBo?t=1192I certainly wouldn't want to see the precious Vivaldi developers wasting time writing a whole new version for Webkit. What they've already achieved is stellar, but it would be a waste of resource to then fork the code to a whole new iteration, then try keep it up to date.
But can we just rephrase the problem? Of course we'd all love Vivaldi qua Vivaldi on ipad, but is there a lesser step requiring significantly less effort?
Suppose you're going on a long hike and there will be some lakes in the way. So you take some crappy primitive inflatable canoe to get across them with your kit. No way would you use that canoe on a real boating trip or on rivers, but for this role, it will suffice. It's a something you add on to enable you to transit across all terrains and complete the entire trip. In the same way, a primitive version of Vivaldi that runs on iOS and syncs bookmarks, would allow one to transit across all 4 common platforms (Win10, Macos, Android & iOS), maintaining contact with your basic work stuff.
The CEO talks about using the Chromium project to fork a new build on iOS. You could call it 'Vivaldi Basic' or something to emphasise that it is just a basic browser that syncs to your Vivaldi bookmark data. I could even cope with it not having tabs! But it would just allow me, in extremis, to access all my vital bookmark / project data.
In terms of usefulness, I think an ipad version is more useful than an iphone one. But again, I have a few apps on my ipad that are iphone only, so I have to turn the ipad to portrait mode to use them. It's not the end of the world! So whichever version is easiest to produce, I'd be happy with.
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@Ayespy said in Vivaldi for iOS:
perhaps, merely re-brand/re-skin what would essentially still be Safari or Chrome
Just my two cents, but I think a majority of your users would be fine with that, at least as a starting point. Id much rather have a re-skin of chrome but with Vivaldi sync on my iOS devices, than to not use Vivaldi at all because I cant sync my Tabs, bookmarks, and logins.
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@relink <MyOpinion> An iOS version of Vivaldi is certainly technically possible but it won't be a trivial endeavour. The Vivaldi UI on Android is implemented (to a large degree) using native widgets, so all of that work would need to be re-done for iOS. That's the easy part. The even bigger challenge is porting "Vivaldi" and integrating it with the iOS Chromium base, which is a harder task (and comes with more restrictions) than it is for Android.
At the very least, it will require dedicated iOS developers to implement and support.
</MyOpinion>I don't know how doable an iOS version of Vivaldi actually is. I also have absolutely no clue as to what Vivaldi's plans for it may be either. I just hope to see it offered on iOS some day.
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@Knuthf
You think Apple is spying? Microsoft is worse. Windows 10 is one huge piece of spyware.