Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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@luetage oh come on now, surely a clever peep like you can do far better alliteration than that tepid attempt?
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@ybjrepnfr Move on. You’ve found a browser that suits you at the moment, so have I. You’re holding a grudge ,because the Vivaldi team hasn’t built your dream browser ticking all your made up boxes and you’ve been very vocal about it for years and years. I mean, you posted in a topic discussing the internal adblocker of a browser you don’t use 17 times… Guess what, all of us have a different set of boxes itching to be ticked. I couldn’t care less about tree style tabs for instance, I want my tab system to be flat. But I also want my bookmarking system to be flat and there is no good way to label them currently. Imagine, this is one of my itches, but you don’t see me complaining about it constantly. Anyway, two people can use two different browsers and both can be right. This is a reality that should be easy to accept.
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@luetage you seem upset about something. that's sad. would you like to talk about it?
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I saw this link about Brave and MV3 in another MV3 thread (I don't use Brave, I swear)
https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/I have to admit, I like Brave blog post much more, because they are talking about keeping limited number of most important privacy MV2 extensions, including the best one - uBlock Origin.
For as long as we’re able (and assuming the cooperation of the extension authors), Brave will continue to support some privacy-relevant MV2 extensions — specifically AdGuard, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix
Moreover, they will integrate (preinstall?) AdGuard, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix directly into the browser!
In June 2025, Google plans to remove all remaining Manifest V2 items from the Chrome Web Store. While Brave has no extension store, we have a robust process for customizing (or “patching”) atop the open-source Chromium engine. This will allow us to offer limited MV2 support even after it’s fully removed from the upstream Chromium codebase.
We’re gradually rolling out a new page in Settings that lists these extensions. Once you have the update, you will see it in brave://settings/extensions.
So this looks like Tor Browser that has preinstalled NoScript. Maybe Vivaldi can do the same and include those MV2 extensions (I care mostly about uBO) into browser itself in disabled sate, like mail?
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@ybjrepnfr said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@barbudo2005 heehee, spot on, tis indeed
rp, though ofc that's forked from the Fox.fwiw, my enthusiasm for
floorp[which is now the same kind of passion i once enjoyed from 2015 with vivaldi, rip], is coz it focuses on the stuff important to me in a browser, without any of the sad crap vivaldi has diverged off into & is thus irrelevant for me. once, the early mantra of being "a browser for our friends" resonated strongly with me, but unfortunately for the past several years those words seem more ironic than accurate.the beginning of the end was the day [a few years ago] i finally got it thru my thick skull that vivaldi devs & jon seem entirely uninterested in giving us another tab management paradigm option, being
tst, which is so palpably superior to the current meagre options. more recently though, with the advent of "don't be evil corp" mv2 shenanigans & the consequent impending death of chromiumuBO, i realised that even if vivaldi magically gave me nativetsttomorrow [with comparable functionality tosidebery], it still would be too late, coz i refuse to use any browser that can't run mv2uBO.tis all such a pity.
Have to say, I have spent a few days trying to move away from Edge, and after a lot of trial and error my search narrowed down to Vivaldi and Floorp.
And I -almost- totally settled on Vivaldi, because it's a little more polished and it had the features I needed, plus the Android app was a little better than the firefox options I could find (which all seemed to be the same).
But Sidebery vertical tabs are still a lot better than Vivaldi tabs (but viv was 'good enough'), however the thing that has made me rethink is that Vivaldi built-in adblock can't handle youtube ads. So when viv gives up on uBlock compatibility, I'll have to move to Floorp anyway. So ... might as well make the change now.
Such a shame. Vivaldi at least is a MUCH better name than /floorp/ haha
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Firefox has its own version of Manifest V3. Can Vivaldi use Firefox's version of Manifest V3?
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you want to adopt the v3 manifest!??
NO !!
ublock origin is essential and no way can the built in rudimentary adblocker be a substitute!please put this to a vote, nobody wants this sh*tty new manifest thats simply googles way to forbid adblockers and you want to implement this?!
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@schreck
The Vivaldi team don't implement anything, this is implemented in the Chromium source code and all chromium browser get this.
uBock user gets blocked on Youtube too, many user report this in this thread.
It's only essential for user want to watch content for nothing, I am fine with uBlock Origin Lite for month now which is MV3. -
@mib2berlin
.. and im sure they can choose not to lose v2 functionality by keeping the code part, even if ggogle is pushing this.so what if some youtube users with ublock get blocked??
what has this to do with anything. youtube is a google service, so obviously google has to control everything and this is what theyre trying to do here, killing adblockers and keeping control.
and there i thought vivaldi wouldnt follow such an attitude because they want to keep vivaldi open for what people want and not what google pushes down their throat. -
@schreck
I guess some of the Chromium based browser will and can keep V2 code working, we will see this in a few month.
I meant V2 is not absolutely necessary to browse the web and V3 has some advantages for the user, I read this in a statement of the AdBlock developers.
If Youtube can block any user using an ad blocker it makes no sense to maintain V2 and I guess this was one of the reasons the Vivaldi team not to keep it.
We will know what really happens with ad blockers and YouTube's fight against them in a few months.Cheers, mib
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youtube didnt block me with running ublock origin, still working without any ads.
and this is only one site you are talking about, as youtube defines if v2 stands or falls. the argument doesnt make any sense. -
@schreck
Then you are lucky, they can block uBlock users, nobody knows how they decide which one.
The discussion doesn't make any sense, Vivaldi will not support V2 anymore. -
@mib2berlin
oh, excuse me! i didnt know, that you are in charge here and decide, what will happen.
and there i was thinking, that vivaldi is, what the users make out of it, hence the forum and discussions, and not some company, that decides without giving a shit. thats the reason im using this.
but go ahead, you as the boss here, best then close the forum, if this doesnt make any sense here. -
@schreck you're acting like a spoiled child. @mib2berlin just knows how things works and he's just stating how the things are going to be because he's not naive. You can't change anything, chrome and chromium won't support manifest v2 anymore from next year. Vivaldi has no power in stopping it.
Ublock Origin lite will replace the current one. End of the story. -
"Vivaldi has no power in stopping it."
of course they can leave the code in there.and whotf are you to end the story??
if there would be no room for discussion, this thread wouldnt exist.and dont go on my nerves with your dumb insulting comments towards me.
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@schreck said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
"Vivaldi has no power in stopping it."
of course they can leave the code in there.I am sorry but have you coded anything in your life?
What makes you think you leave code and that code will magically keep working?
The code will have to be maintained to keep working with the changes the rest of the chromium code will be having.
They would have to replace in every chromium release all the new APIs of V3 with the old ones and pray it will work.
No chromium browser is going to keep V2. Please do tell me 1 that is going to keep V2 after June 2025.
Nobody has the manpower to keep V2 in chromium codebase. Maybe only Microsoft could do it because they have the resources to do that, but they won't do it too. -
@electryon, after June 2025 non of the browsers can use v2 extensions in by Google controlled websites, eg. in YT v2 extensions not longer will work, irrelevant if Chromium or any other.
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
June 2025 non of the browsers can use v2 extensions in by Google controlled websites, eg. in YT v2 extensions not longer will work, irrelevant if Chromium or any other.
How does a website control how a browser works? Are you being serious? That even Firefox with V2 won't work? Where do you get this information?
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@Preorian, the websites no, but the Google API for the advertising does. See YouTube ads and it's anti adblock measures with with gorehill is struggeling almost daily, with the same problem in all other browsers. Same will ocurre with other websites with Google (Alphabet) ads for sure (most), when they definitively implement v3 next year, than v2 blockers will not work anymore, apart that they are not longer in the Chrome Store and other stores, there will be only an uBO light in v3.
I only hope that Vivaldi with the inbuild blocker can resist. Anyway an userscript manager can be a good idea to patch the holes with userscript, making Vivaldi more independent from the Chrome Store. -
Google developing their own new "foolproof blocking-resistant" ad systems (if they can! don't be so sure that it will be that way.. the past is filled with similar situations where people have found new ways to circumvent new protections et al.) is rather a side story to this whole v2 Vs. v3 thing. They are developing it now against v2, or v3, or v102314, or whatever tech browsers are using or are going to. Before this v3 change they were battling with the same problems.
Your previous post is rather muddled; in the end you state that after next year NO browser can support v2, which is incorrect. At least Firefox will continue to support it. And I recently read a post by somebody working on uBO, or at least related to somehow, on uBO subreddit, that there are some, or one Chromium browser that is going to support v2. Can't remember where I read it though so I can't link to it now... but, we'll see in the future what happens.
Silver lining here for me is that if google miraculously finds some way to fully protect their systems, then I can stop using their services, luckily I'm not addicted to them.
apart that they are not longer in the Chrome Store and other stores
Are you again trying to convey an incorrect message that NONE of the browser will have v2 extensions? Why do you write these kind of messages?
