Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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It seems that I did not explain myself clearly enough.
In this respect, Vivaldi users can be divided into two groups. Let's analyze them separately:
1.- Those who use the adblocker:
They are satisfied because the basic goal of not seeing ads is achieved.
Therefore, they are not worried about this MV3 issue. In addition, they do not want or require the team to add more power, because they are not aware of what this increased power is about.
2.- Those who use uBO:
My estimate is that they represent about 5% and no more than 10% of the total Vivaldi users.
For those who are used to that this performance and power, anything less is a great annoyance.
Within this group there are two subgroups:
2.1- Those who have already made the loss, and have already migrated, but have not assimilated it 100%.
And in this small detail as in all things is the devil, they still suffer rage for what someone or something did to them, and they persist in finding it to unload their rage. Let's not be surprised, it's just a manifestation of human nature.
2.2.- Those who will remain until June 2025 using uBO:
To them it makes no sense to ask them to switch today to adblocker. Why would they do it? Why would they throw away the power they still have?
In the same way, for those who know how to use uBO, the use of the adblocker is a piece of cake.
It is specifically for this group that I state what I believe should be the rational attitude they should have in June 2025.
And it is nothing other than what we do every day when we take decisions. Putting things in the balance and weighing the relevance we give to the conflicting points in order to make a determination:
a) The special characteristics that Vivaldi has that made me choose it in the first place and those that have been added and that keep me interested in it.
b) The extra power that uBO has and that I would lose if I keep on using Vivaldi.
This subgroup must take into account that the team manages a figure similar to mine that only between 5 and 10% of the users use uBO.
Therefore, and again in a rational way we cannot pretend that in June 2025 we will have a uBO built-in.
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@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
because they are not aware of what this increased power is about.
Not in all cases. I know what it's about and I don't care. There is a point past which, for me, fixation on non-interruption (no one likes advertising, but it literally pays for the "free" web just as it always did for "free" radio and broadcast TV) privacy and "security" exceeds rationality.
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You are right that there are people who don't care about that greater power.
You are also right that when privacy and "security" exceeds rationality, then we go straight into paranoia.
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@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
In the same way, for those who know how to use uBO, the use of the adblocker is a piece of cake.
Yea, I just tested internal adblocker on Stable version, you just add Ad/Tracker Blocking Sources, just like on mobile version, very simple.
You do the same in uBO after installing it for the 1st time (yes you can import settings too)
UPD: it would be nice to have some separation between Ad/Tracker Blocking Sources, not display all of them in one big list. For example put region-specific filters to "region-specific" category, or at least add a separator.
The core most important Sources should be on top in their own category.
Maybe it would make sense to create new category for internal Adblocker since Vivaldi team (I assume) is planning to add more features into it.
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@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Something like this?
I like the way you thinking
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so sad seeing severe stockholm syndrome shown severally serially seriously.
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@ybjrepnfr Bitter, bitter, bitter. Get over it.
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@luetage oh come on now, surely a clever peep like you can do far better alliteration than that tepid attempt?
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@ybjrepnfr Move on. You’ve found a browser that suits you at the moment, so have I. You’re holding a grudge ,because the Vivaldi team hasn’t built your dream browser ticking all your made up boxes and you’ve been very vocal about it for years and years. I mean, you posted in a topic discussing the internal adblocker of a browser you don’t use 17 times… Guess what, all of us have a different set of boxes itching to be ticked. I couldn’t care less about tree style tabs for instance, I want my tab system to be flat. But I also want my bookmarking system to be flat and there is no good way to label them currently. Imagine, this is one of my itches, but you don’t see me complaining about it constantly. Anyway, two people can use two different browsers and both can be right. This is a reality that should be easy to accept.
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@luetage you seem upset about something. that's sad. would you like to talk about it?
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I saw this link about Brave and MV3 in another MV3 thread (I don't use Brave, I swear)
https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/I have to admit, I like Brave blog post much more, because they are talking about keeping limited number of most important privacy MV2 extensions, including the best one - uBlock Origin.
For as long as we’re able (and assuming the cooperation of the extension authors), Brave will continue to support some privacy-relevant MV2 extensions — specifically AdGuard, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix
Moreover, they will integrate (preinstall?) AdGuard, NoScript, uBlock Origin, and uMatrix directly into the browser!
In June 2025, Google plans to remove all remaining Manifest V2 items from the Chrome Web Store. While Brave has no extension store, we have a robust process for customizing (or “patching”) atop the open-source Chromium engine. This will allow us to offer limited MV2 support even after it’s fully removed from the upstream Chromium codebase.
We’re gradually rolling out a new page in Settings that lists these extensions. Once you have the update, you will see it in brave://settings/extensions.
So this looks like Tor Browser that has preinstalled NoScript. Maybe Vivaldi can do the same and include those MV2 extensions (I care mostly about uBO) into browser itself in disabled sate, like mail?
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@ybjrepnfr said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@barbudo2005 heehee, spot on, tis indeed
rp, though ofc that's forked from the Fox.fwiw, my enthusiasm for
floorp[which is now the same kind of passion i once enjoyed from 2015 with vivaldi, rip], is coz it focuses on the stuff important to me in a browser, without any of the sad crap vivaldi has diverged off into & is thus irrelevant for me. once, the early mantra of being "a browser for our friends" resonated strongly with me, but unfortunately for the past several years those words seem more ironic than accurate.the beginning of the end was the day [a few years ago] i finally got it thru my thick skull that vivaldi devs & jon seem entirely uninterested in giving us another tab management paradigm option, being
tst, which is so palpably superior to the current meagre options. more recently though, with the advent of "don't be evil corp" mv2 shenanigans & the consequent impending death of chromiumuBO, i realised that even if vivaldi magically gave me nativetsttomorrow [with comparable functionality tosidebery], it still would be too late, coz i refuse to use any browser that can't run mv2uBO.tis all such a pity.
Have to say, I have spent a few days trying to move away from Edge, and after a lot of trial and error my search narrowed down to Vivaldi and Floorp.
And I -almost- totally settled on Vivaldi, because it's a little more polished and it had the features I needed, plus the Android app was a little better than the firefox options I could find (which all seemed to be the same).
But Sidebery vertical tabs are still a lot better than Vivaldi tabs (but viv was 'good enough'), however the thing that has made me rethink is that Vivaldi built-in adblock can't handle youtube ads. So when viv gives up on uBlock compatibility, I'll have to move to Floorp anyway. So ... might as well make the change now.
Such a shame. Vivaldi at least is a MUCH better name than /floorp/ haha
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Firefox has its own version of Manifest V3. Can Vivaldi use Firefox's version of Manifest V3?
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you want to adopt the v3 manifest!??
NO !!
ublock origin is essential and no way can the built in rudimentary adblocker be a substitute!please put this to a vote, nobody wants this sh*tty new manifest thats simply googles way to forbid adblockers and you want to implement this?!
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@schreck
The Vivaldi team don't implement anything, this is implemented in the Chromium source code and all chromium browser get this.
uBock user gets blocked on Youtube too, many user report this in this thread.
It's only essential for user want to watch content for nothing, I am fine with uBlock Origin Lite for month now which is MV3. -
@mib2berlin
.. and im sure they can choose not to lose v2 functionality by keeping the code part, even if ggogle is pushing this.so what if some youtube users with ublock get blocked??
what has this to do with anything. youtube is a google service, so obviously google has to control everything and this is what theyre trying to do here, killing adblockers and keeping control.
and there i thought vivaldi wouldnt follow such an attitude because they want to keep vivaldi open for what people want and not what google pushes down their throat. -
@schreck
I guess some of the Chromium based browser will and can keep V2 code working, we will see this in a few month.
I meant V2 is not absolutely necessary to browse the web and V3 has some advantages for the user, I read this in a statement of the AdBlock developers.
If Youtube can block any user using an ad blocker it makes no sense to maintain V2 and I guess this was one of the reasons the Vivaldi team not to keep it.
We will know what really happens with ad blockers and YouTube's fight against them in a few months.Cheers, mib
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youtube didnt block me with running ublock origin, still working without any ads.
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@schreck
Then you are lucky, they can block uBlock users, nobody knows how they decide which one.
The discussion doesn't make any sense, Vivaldi will not support V2 anymore.
