Vivaldi takes tabs to the next level, literally
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@kaischi
Hi, it is may better to open a thread in https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/34/vivaldi-for-macosCheers, mib
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and after all this time, we still don't have a download tab, where you can humanly manage your downloads
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@mirian What about the Downloads Panel?. Or are you talking about a Downloads Manager?
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@mirian You can use
chrome://downloads. It's better to bookmark the page. -
Great addition Tab Trees, and I'm so glad you understand the huge value of them, even if very difficult to design.
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I did have to search before I noticed how to show the "tree" for Tree Tabs, (shown only on the left PANEL). Deleting multiple items from there from a stack however, crashed Vivaldi.
[[Since I wrote this, it also seems that closing even one tab leaf from the tree, takes forever. Please confirm, YMMV.]]After "Renaming a stack" seems to indicate that it is a real object, like an existing tab/link. However, when I used F2 search for that new name AFTER saving the stack as a bookmark, the only option I had was to OPEN all the tabs within that named stack. NOT cool if you had a stack with 50-100 tabs. Worse, when you open these tabs, they are NOT inside any stack.
Depending on the architecture, I'd suggest that ANY stack created gets its own object, and not just a label. I need to be able to act on that stack, without necessarily opening anything.
Most importantly, if I create a Stack, folder, or Bookmark, I didn't intend for that named object to disappear. Just because all of the object children are removed or deleted, I see no value in removing the named parent object!
All of use that abuse the ability by keeping hundreds of open tabs, and dozens of open pages have needs that won't seem obvious to those that are disciplined enough to keep everything squeaky clean. Here's my wish-list to help me cope:
- I want to NAME a Window, and that named object STAY that way. I spend a lot of time, trying to guess which window something is in. Sure, I could search anytime I switch tabs or windows, but why?? I want these pages to remain, always: EMAIL - ENTERTAINMENT - SHOP - WEATHER - RESEARCH - TODO-LATER.
- I also want to NAME and KEEP an object that serves as a container for TABS (Hibernated or active), and BOOKMARKS. Again, these objects should NOT disappear. If I was better organized, I probably wouldn't have hundreds of tabs/bookmarks. So, when I do try to organize, it can't disappear for any [automatic] reason.
- If I have control over active / hibernated tabs, then treat bookmarks the same as the tabs. After all, they are really the same as tabs, you just can't see them. While we are discussing tabs and bookmarks, what about pages that were there that I could read from a website, and one that has been removed. Give me the option of keeping a page SAVED as a whole, even if the WEBSITE has disappeared! In this cancel-culture, we can't depend on content we see today, to be there tomorrow. Give me my own "wayback machine", (archive.org).
- I want to ACT on this folder, just like I would any other object, like a tab / bookmark. I should be able to see that object, then drag and drop, delete, rename, copy, with or without its contents.
If I do open the stack, the only acceptable way would be to open the stack AS a stack, and all the tabs be hibernated by default. From there, I can act normally on that stack. (Note that I had SAVED the stack as a bookmark, so that might be an artifact of opening that Bookmark FOLDER, which instead opened all the links.
In any case, some method of using F2 to FIND and then BROWSE that folder before opening any of those links, (or opening them IN a stack, and even then, open any tabs as hibernated tabs).
Tree Tabs extension was my major reason for using FireFox, years ago. With that, I could name the tree, which I believe was permanent object, and not just a link.
Great progress on the feature, even though it will be a long process to create tab managements that is both powerful and intuitive enough to be easy to learn how to use as designed. -
@DaaBoss A full TreeTabs/TabMixPlus will require time. In the meanwhile upvote first post here
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Great work!
Quick suggestion: add a tabs-subcontainer-visible tag to the top of the body class when a layered tab is visible, this way we can make better extensions and modifications.
I've included a few more details, on the tab feature suggestions here.
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Great, but when the address bar is hidden some extensions don't work (https://eloquent.works for example). Right now I have to keep it visible just for that, and it consuming space unnecessarily since I always use the shortcut to focus it
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@varsha I wish I had better news. But the longer I try to use the tabs in a 2nd level, I end up having to forcefully shut Vivaldi down, using Process Explorer, and restarting the browser.
When is Vivaldi sent to lunch, never to return? When shutting down just a few multiple tabs in the 2nd level. Today I did it with only 3 tabs. Once I tried, CPU on my quad processor went to about 24%, and stayed above 14% for more than 5 minutes, then I gave up and restarted Vivaldi. Next time, it was 5 tabs that I shut down. Then, I tried 8. Each time, I couldn't regain focus or change tabs. At the time, I wasn't out of physical memory, so it wasn't in some swap mode. [[ My linefeeds /proofing are on
now in all my posts ]]It seemed impossible to just wait, or try to regain control. I'd be happy to help test / troubleshoot what's going on, if asked.
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Hi, I have 3 bugs since 3.5 (3.6 didn't fix it):
- when I watch a video (for example on YouTube) and press the full screen button, and then press it again, the video goes back to normal but Vivaldi is still in full screen mode and I have to press F11.
- the panel with notes, download etc. disappears randomly and I have to press F4 to show it again.
- the F2 "console" behavior has changed, when typing in a phrase and hitting Enter the console prioritizes matches found in open tabs (and even closed tab history) before the search engine. Before 3.5 search had priority. Maybe it is something that should be possible to set in the settings?
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@Fang said in Vivaldi takes tabs to the next level, literally:
Hi, I have 3 bugs since 3.5 (3.6 didn't fix it):
Did you create posts or bug reports about them?
- when I watch a video (for example on YouTube) and press the full screen button, and then press it again, the video goes back to normal but Vivaldi is still in full screen mode and I have to press F11.
Strange, see https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/56317/when-exiting-fullscreen-on-videos-vivaldi-browser-also-exits-out-of-fullscreen
- the panel with notes, download etc. disappears randomly and I have to press F4 to show it again.
Could this be a sync problem?
If not, create a new thread to discuss it.- the F2 "console" behavior has changed, when typing in a phrase and hitting Enter the console prioritizes matches found in open tabs (and even closed tab history) before the search engine. Before 3.5 search had priority. Maybe it is something that should be possible to set in the settings?
Does this suggestion (for Mac) help https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/55682/3-5-2115-87-new-quick-commands-bug-introduced-with-vivaldi-for-os-x
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Looks great but please don't take away the Window Panel.
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@ergusto There is no suggestion that would ever happen.
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"Two-Level Tab Stacks" is the great feature, actually! Thanks a lot for it.
But there some problems/inconsistencies:-
If I want to open all bookmarks from some Bookmark Folder in new tabs and I just have the active Tab Stack I would expect that such tabs should be opened in this active Tab Stack as its "member tabs" (i.e. at the second level). Unfortunately the folder context menu's items "Open in New Tab" and "Open in Background Tab" open these bookmarks as new tabs, i.e. at the first level.
So either it should be fixed or there should be added other context menu's items e.g. "Open in New Tab in Active Stack" and "Open in Background Tab in Active Stack". -
There is feature for "auto-creation" of new Tab Stack: "New Tab Position > As Tab Stack with Related Tab". If I open some link (at the page in tab which is not a member of any stack) using e.g. "Open in Background Tab", it opens in new tab and a new stack is created - that's great! But if I again open another link in that way the new tab is created as "member tab" (i.e. at the second level - that's OK) but as a last tab in active stack. It's the same in case of any other previously existing Tab Stacks - if "New Tab Position > As Tab Stack with Related Tab" option is enabled any newly created tab from link is placed as the last tab. Well I can use the "New Tab Position > After Active Tab" option, but it disables the "auto-creation" feature of new Tab Stack.
So I think that "As Tab Stack with Related Tab" option shouldn't be mutually exclusive with the "After Active Tab" one as it prevents to use both options together. -
In case of open link in Background Tab in active Tab Stack (as its "member tab", i.e. at the second level) the Unread Indicators (small triangles in right top corner of newly created tabs) don't appear at all so it's quite confusing.
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I'm very happy about these changes, as a user with many tabs. The only very small con I noticed, it's not easy to drag a tab from one stack directly to another stack. Thanks for the best chromium browser in existence.
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@SergejB you could slightly increase the UI size. Often helps.
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@eggcorn: now for cascading tab windows...
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Hi, Vivaldi developers - I'm disappointed how slowly scrolls working on page when I open new tab to background. It completely freeze current tab/page for about 1 - 2 seconds. I was able to implement V7 Tabs extension from Opera to Vivaldi sidebar, but this scrolling fault stops me from switch to Vivaldi
Why the current tab is freezing even if the new tab is launched in new process?? -
Addition - It not freezes if the page is open to foreground tab and quickly switched back, so this is some weird Vivaldi bug.
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Addition 2: It happens when I open link on this page:
https://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/Addition 3: another problem - problem to close preview popup on Facebook, must click few times to close it. Working properly with ESC button.
Addition 4: can't edit comment here on Vivaldi, stuck on saving with some error.
I don't understand this amount of problems on Vivaldi.
