What is stopping you from using V all the time?

xaxa

The on crucial factor preventing me from using Vivaldi as main browser throughout my systems (desktops Windows & Linux, phone Android) is missing support for ”Omnibox-API“ extensions.

I just can't adapt to not using extensions like Xeno Wikipedia (which I consider essential, but which isn't used a lot by others, stats show) or Leo Recherche (which has more active users besides me).

I understand that it might be a little bit more complicated to support chrome.omnibox with Vivaldi's privacy approach to the address bar and/or separate search box. But I think it's possible, e.g. implementing it in search box if that exists, address box otherwise, if suggestions functionality enabled.

Please don't consider this a shameless self-plug – rather I wrote these extensions, because I felt the need to have them.

pafflick

@xaxa I haven't used those extensions, but to me, it seems that Vivaldi (desktop) already provides their functionality within the browser, with the use of custom search engines (which also includes the suggestions).

That, of course, doesn't address the issue of the chrome.omnibox support lacking, but I don't see any reason why I should use these kinds of extensions if I have the Vivaldi search tools at hand.

xaxa

I can tell you, why I created these extensions after recognizing that custom search engines are not enough:

Bolt use a second token (after the custom-search-engine-like handle; e.g. wx de vivaldi or wx en vivaldi, lx ru tschüss or lx fr tschüss, respectively) to specify the desired language version. You can't do that with plain old custom search engine functionality.

pafflick

@xaxa You can achieve that but it would require adding separate engine for each language. So, it depends on how many languages you actually need. If it's 2 or 3 then you can go with the built-in functionality. But if you search in many languages frequently, then adding all of them would be a little bit troublesome, and you would probably clutter the search engines list.

A possibility to add a modifier for an existing search engine could be a solution for this, you can make such a request here if you wish.

BoneTone

@xaxa @pafflick couldn't that be supported rather easily, even if it is a half dozen different languages, by giving them nicknames? The main difference, I think, would be that you drop a space, e.g. wxde vivaldi or wxen vivaldi, etc. You could also drop an extra letter and just do things like wxd, wxe, lxr, lxf, in the interest of brevity. Have a few dozen custom search engines defined myself, creating 4 or more for something so crucial to one's workflow seems rather straightforward.

xaxa

@BoneTone It could. And I used this approach back in Opera …12 times.

But that just works for me alone. and it isn't a general solution that is easily usable by people round the world. (The wheel would have to be invented over and over again, so to speak.)

pafflick

@BoneTone This is what I was talking about. If you could use another parameter along with %S (search query) it would serve as a modifier, which would extend the search feature's functionality. I see a wide variety of use cases for this, not only a different language, but you can use this to search - for example - for some products that have a specific parameter, like eg. eb backpack 100 which you could set up to return you the results for backpacks under $100 on eBay, and so on...

Streptococcus

Is it not your arm that gets tired from pushing a mouse around?
I once got a repetitive strain injury in my shoulder from pushing a mouse around. I first got a touchpad and then later a trackball. Those solved the problem.

sean8102

@mossman

@mossman said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

@Pesala said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

@Ayespy said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

Storing private data in any cloud gives me the creeps.
It need not if you archive and encrypt it first before uploading it to the cloud.

If you're encrypting it first then you have a password to get to your password which you get from the cloud...

If you're memorising the master password anyway - and then going through extra encryption/decryption steps - isn't it easier just to memorise the password you're trying to keep?

In my case I have a couple of standard low-level passwords for all my internet stuff, plus a small number of high-level passwords for mail etc. I just remember them all - and they're quite cryptic.

I do sometimes note my work passwords somewhere since they force me to change those all the time - but again, I note down cryptic clues instead of the actual password.

I know this is old so sorry about that. I ended up here because correct me if I'm wrong, but I saw a recently dated post saying that Vivaldi still does not support Lastpass?!

Then saw your post. First off to each their own, but I genuinely can't comprehend how you could think that using last pass makes password management HARDER or involve more steps. Or the thought that you aren't comfortable because your passwords are stored on a server somewhere (they aren't, a encrypted container is the only thing ever uploaded to LastPass servers and LastPass never gets a copy of the key required to decrypt it. All encryption and decryption only happens on your device. They have also won every independent third party security certification you can imagine. Their white paper dose a good job showing how not even someone at LastPass could see what's in your vault if they tried. https://assets.cdngetgo.com/60/be/323790b344bf8e631ecb033e4cad/lastpass-technical-whitepaper.pdf Bottom line over 25 million users and I've never heard of a single security breach/flaw so they got to be doing something right. And genuinely couldn't use a browser (or phone) without LastPass suppport.

As for the extra steps, what extra steps? Once the extension is installed in your browser and you login with your master password, you're good to go. I check the "keep me logged in option" when first using a new install of a browser. Then every time I go to a site where I have an account LastPass uses its auto fill system to just fill in the user name / email and password field. Or if I'm signing up for an account on a site it can auto fill in my name, username, address, state, zip code, and generate a secure random password for me and store it in the vault in one click.

I don't know any of my passwords because they are all unique (no two sites use the same password), they are all 8 to 12 completely random letters, numbers, and symbols. My master password is something I def will never forget (not just because I've been using LastPass for years but also because of what that master password is) and it's something no one would ever EVER guess. Even if they somehow impossibly guessed my master password, they still couldn't get in because of the two-factor authentication. On top the browser extensions (works on FF, Chrome, Edge, Edge Chromium, Brave etc etc) they have an Android (and iOS app) that dose the same things. I use whatever browser I want on my android phone and since I have LastPass installed when I go to a site and the login page comes up it says tap here to fill with last pass. I tap that, let the phone get my finger print and last pass fills it in. Dose the same for logging me into apps as well.

mossman

@sean8102 said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

I genuinely can't comprehend how you could think that using last pass makes password management HARDER or involve more steps

You went off on a massive rant against me, but did I even say that? looking at what you quoted I'm describing how I was dealing with internet passwords at the time by keeping only a few important ones in memory. This is a post from years ago, isn't it?

Since Vivaldi sync a while back this entire question is now redundant to me.

Stardust

I hope these issues will be addressed with high priority:

more responsive zooming
middle click scrolling for Linux
new (optional) elements on the Address Bar: bookmark menu, zoom buttons, download button
bookmarks management improvements

hlehyaric

@Stardust You can already move Zoom button from Status Bar to Address Bar. It's not even a CSS mod. Take a glimpse at these two LonM posts.

Stardust

@hlehyaric thanks, but I am patiently waiting for the native implementation

LinAGKar

@BoneTone Stylus works, but only if someone has taken the time to make a style for each individual site (or you take the time to do so). And you gotta take the time to find a style for each site.

Catweazle

I also don't find the right style for the tax agency page

Rick1357r

V is my default browser. However I go back to chrome, for easy language translation. I also have started using Microsoft Edge (Windows 10) for "voice reading of articles". Updated feature that lets you put any article, or website info in "read mode" (gets rid of all advertising, etc) and then "Read aloud" click. Been using for a few weeks, and "reading voice" has not missed anything or said anything wrong and sounds exactly like a human voice. Can be a little slow reading some footnotes, etc. But it is the best I have ever used.

Pesala

@Rick1357r They are starting to work on web page translation.

Read Aloud Selected Text may be some way off yet.

Rick1357r

Thanks - Do appreciate Vivaldi for it's speed, smooth uninterrupted performance. Also, really like the tab management and how well and easy V takes care of "favorites". Being able to access features from "multiple" locations is far superior to any other browsers I have used. V, keep up the good work

Stardust

@guigirl said in What is stopping you from using V all the time?:

This thread has been obsolete for some years now

Well, things that stopping me from using V all the time are almost the same as they were in the beginning :face_savouring_delicious_food:

luetage

@Stardust What do you do when you stop using V?