"There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge)
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@DoctorG said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
@paul1149 If Vivaldi would have a own search engine, that could cost much more investment for server hardware. I do not think all Vivaldi owners would like to do this.
We're not the devs, so we can't know what they would afford to do and what not.
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@ThePfromtheO But, yeah, we can guess
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@ThePfromtheO Ah yes. I fully agree. Their focus is solely on the privacy aspects.
For us power users though it just doesn't cut it.
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@mathieulefrancois Note: Not for Brave fans 🥷
Brave's certainly suitable for old men and women (grandpas and grandmas)
Vivaldi would mess them up with its multiple features 
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@ThePfromtheO said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
Brave's certainly suitable for old men and women
Bah! Do not blame old IT gals like me
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@DoctorG Sorry, you're an exception
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@ThePfromtheO said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
When you'd find yourself without your trusted AI, you'd be as being without your own brain.
Let's be real: if AI were to suddenly become unavailable for any reason, do you truly believe you could accomplish even half—or perhaps just a quarter—of what you achieve today?AI is an aid, not a replacement. I've used it a lot in the past couple of years. I'm a software developer and for technical tasks it's a great timesaver. For example, yesterday I wanted to find out which subfolders in a folder were the biggest. There were tons of folders in it, so it would have taken ages to do it manually - select folder, right-click, properties - if it was a big one, wait for Windows to calculate the folder size.
So I asked the AI to write a C# program to do it. I could have done it myself but it would have taken me a while for what was just a one-off task.
Then when I'm actually writing code, the AI can help with a lot of boilerplate, or just structurally repetitive stuff we typically do as programmers.
Prior to AI we would use templates, "wizards," code snippets and other productivity aids for this kind of thing. The AI copilots just take this to the next level. But you still have to keep your brain engaged and know enough to check the AI's output.
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@paul1149 said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
@DoctorG said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
@paul1149 If Vivaldi would have a own search engine, that could cost much more investment for server hardware. I do not think all Vivaldi owners would like to do this.
This wouldn't be the first search engine in existence. Many have done it. There must be money in it.
Most of them just add privacy layers on top of (mostly) Microsoft and Google web indexes. Brave, Mojeek and Yandex are some exceptions, having heir own web indexes.
@mathieulefrancois said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
My issue with it is that it's basically just Chrome without the Google stuff, which is fine if that's what you want.
I like Vivaldi for the customization and all the extra features it offers me.
Ditto. Though I do have Brave installed, just not as desktop default.
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@wintercoast said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
But you still have to keep your brain engaged and know enough to check the AI's output.
Yes, if you rely mostly on AI, when the code it gave to you gives errors, it is much harder to look into all the code and see what's the problem in order to repair it, especially if it's a complicated and long one since you don't know it as well as you'd have known it if it would have been made by you.
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@wintercoast said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
Though I do have Brave installed, just not as desktop default.
Me too! I sometimes use it, for example, to compare it with other browsers.
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@wintercoast The problem is that the programmers are at risk of being replaced by AI in the future. You have to agree that, if companies use AI for programming, although it sometimes gives wrong codes, it would finally perfect itself by learning from how humans repair those mistakes made by it.
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@ThePfromtheO said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
The problem is that the programmers are at risk of being replaced by AI in the future.
That will likely happen eventually, or their roles will change to be prompt engineers.
But in the short term, for programmers (and other workers) it will be that "programmer with AI" will replace "programmer without AI."
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@wintercoast I tries some special web sessions question for Perl and AI created wrong solutions or was hallucinating unusable code.
Could be that AI is good for you and your C#, but not for me and my Python and Perl codes.
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@ThePfromtheO said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
@wintercoast said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
Though I do have Brave installed, just not as desktop default.
Me too! I sometimes use it, for example, to compare it with other browsers.
I often use it to test an unauthenticated version of a site I'm logged into on Vivaldi. I also recently installed LibreWolf, so as to have at least one Gecko browser to test. I was a Firefox user for well over a decade but eventually defected to Opera and then Vivaldi.
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@wintercoast said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
I often use it to test an unauthenticated version of a site I'm logged into on Vivaldi.
Oh, I simply use "Private Window" for that!
But, maybe you want to keep the data, not lose it every time when you close the window... -
@DoctorG said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
I tries some special web sessions question for Perl and AI created wrong solutions or was hallucinating unusable code.
Could be that AI is good for you and your C#, but not for me and my Python and Perl codes.
Ha! I hate Perl with a vengeance.
I've found that the AI's vary in quality depending on the problem you fire at it. They vary from better or worse variations on the correct and/or compilable/runnable answer to being plain wrong. That's why you always need to keep your brain engaged!
But there's also a skill in crafting your prompt. IIRC, when I was playing yesterday, it (ChatGPT in this case) got it wrong initially, but that was because it had misunderstood what I was asking (which when I read it back to myself, was understandable). Once I reformulated my prompt, it got it right.
Btw, I currently have 14 AI's hooked up in my Vivaldi web panel. Plus I also occasionally use Opera Aria and Brave Leo as standalones in their own browsers.
Plus I use Brave AI in Brave Search in Vivaldi, but mostly just for summary searches.
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@ThePfromtheO said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
@wintercoast said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
I often use it to test an unauthenticated version of a site I'm logged into on Vivaldi.
Oh, I simply use "Private Window" for that!
But, maybe you want to keep the data, not lose it every time when you close the window...I have a friend I often send links to and I know he uses Brave, so it makes sense to test in Brave.
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@wintercoast said in "There's no need to download a new web browser."(Microsoft Edge):
so it makes sense to test in Brave.
So you won't seem ignorant, no?
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@wintercoast Sorry for deviating even more from the topic of the OP, but do you know how could I make the emoticons I type remain emoticons, not to change in emojis here, on the Vivaldi forum?
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Huh, some Eich-man fanboyz here.
I run away now.
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