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@Catweazle What leads you to think uBO will become a paid app?
From what I gathered about uBO lite it is lite because of the constraints of Mv3. Let's assume a full version becomes available as a paid subscription I would think it would continue on the Mv2 track. Assuming Google is smart enough they will remove all Mv2 traces from Chrome's codebase making it impossible to have a fully fledged uBO.
But anybody's guess here is as good as mine.
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@Pesala Do you have another adblocker running alongside uBO? It is advised by uBO team to disable other adblocker.
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@EricJH No. I disabled Vivaldi’s Ad-blocking.
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@Pesala Then one last question. Do you use YoutubeEnhancer extension? If so disable the adblocker of YoutubeEnhancer.
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@Catweazle said in Youtube | Block Ads with Native Ad Blocker:
@vdeane, it.s not easy tu find the correct combination, despite the testpage shows which things are not get blocked, if you eexpand the results.
Anyway, with the Vivaldi blocker the only problem is YouTube which anti-adblock measures change currently almost daily, with which is even struggeling uBO.
The only thing that still works is the little Embed Redirect script (or maybe this one) to avoid ads, at least, in the videos.The built-in usually works for YouTube for me with Vivaldi 6.8; the worst I've had to do is reload the page if ads want to slip through. However, going with the built-in does mean I now have to deal with the annoyance of the anti-adblock message on TV Tropes (often it only appears on the second page visited) and the "preview" ads on streaming services like Max and Paramount+ (I had gotten so used to not seeing those with UBO that I actually forgot they existed!). It would be nice if Vivaldi's built-in adblocker could incorporate whatever it is of UBO that allows those to be blocked.
@Catweazle said in Youtube | Block Ads with Native Ad Blocker:
@EricJH, oh yes, I believe that uBO until now works fine, I only don't believe that it will do it also in the near future, probably it will be an paid app for the full version, for free only uBO lite in the Chrome store, as consecuence of the Mv3 policy by Google, if not, uBO will not longer remain in the Chrome Store and somewhat later also not in the Mozilla store.
Why would it leave the Mozilla store? Last I checked, Firefox was keeping Manifest v2.
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@vdeane, yes, Mozilla, like also Vivaldi, will keep Mv2, but this, as long as possible. But in the future it depends on the web pages that carry Google APIs to respect Mv2 or not, not on the browsers. At YT we are already seeing the problems and in the future there will be other pages.
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@Catweazle
I generally uBlock Origin and Vivaldi's Block Ads/Trackers interchangeably. Recently I've been using only Vivaldi's Adblocker and so far I get no ads on any site (except YouTube). So it IS very effective.I'm also currently not getting any ads on YouTube either and I'm not sure why. So far my theories are
- The videos I watch are not well monetised (unlikely - Marques Brownlee / MKBHD and other popular YouTubers' videos show no ads).
- I have added additional Adblock / Tracker sources to Vivaldi AdBlock. Maybe I've hit on a lucky combination of adblock lists to block YouTube ads, but I don't think I'm this lucky.
- My VPN (Mullvad) lists me as being in Norway. I'm thinking this is the most likely reason for no ads - shifting my VPN server to the US or Canada gets me ads on some videos.
I do use Firefox and Vivaldi interchangeably, but Firefox's foray into advertising does feel like a red flag being unfurled. So Vivaldi it is, and I hope they can keep Manifest v2 enabled even after next year.
I'm assuming that eventually I'll get YouTube ads again on Vivaldi. At least i have until next year to decide what my choices will be.
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@bluewave, I'm in Spain and some vids showing ads and others don't, ads in the YT page are blocked with the Vivaldi blocker, and the vids which show ads I redirect embedded using the script.
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@Catweazle said in Youtube | Block Ads with Native Ad Blocker:
@bluewave, I'm in Spain and some vids showing ads and others don't, ads in the YT page are blocked with the Vivaldi blocker, and the vids which show ads I redirect embedded using the script.
I think it's interesting that embedded still works for you. Whenever I try that trick (manually, since I have no interest in getting involved in the world of scripts), I get a message saying the video can't be played and to watch on YouTube instead. On the other hand, Vivaldi is mostly successful in blocking ads for me in 6.8 (with some refreshing needed, but that's still a LOT better than 6.7 was), so I guess individual experience varies a lot.
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@vdeane, yes, this is the lack of the embed redirect or the iFrame script, it can't reproduce vides which are limited to watch in the YT page. This message also appears if you want to insert the video in a forum or social network. There is little to do, luckily are only few videos wich have desactivate the insert possibility, mostly very new music videos or similar. There you can try with an front-end, like PokeTube, LightTube, Piped, Tubo, etc.., or with the SMplayer on desktop, this one digests almost everything you throw at it.
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So for the sake of streamlining, I have been trying to get the vivaldi built-in adblock to work as well as uBlock Origin.
I currently use one of the Hagezi blocklists in uBlock, but I found out that Hagezi does not actually block youtube ads at all. So I also have a couple of the uBlock-specific lists active, which are the ones that cover youtube ads. Works fine.
I have now set vivaldi up so it now uses all the same blocklists as my uBlock setup (including the uBlock-specific ones, which took longer than it should have to figure out how to include as I originally couldn't find where the blocklists were available for importing into other programs, but I figured it out in the end).
And... it doesn't work. I load up youtube, and it just does a long black-screen buffering window and then shows a still-frame of an advert. So the ads don't 'play' but they still interrupt viewing the video for roughly the same amount of time (30-60 seconds) before eventually just stopping as the video endlessly buffers.
The best case scenario of options (that I've found so far) are that the vivaldi adblock just fails entirely and the ads play as normal.
So I'm assuming (going from vague rumours I had seen) that youtube has detected vivaldi ad-blocking specifically, and so made it that it just doesn't work? So is there even a point in the vivaldi ad block existing?
Has anyone managed to successfully get the vivaldi adblock to work with youtube ads? Or is it just default to turn it off and use uBlock instead?
And if this is the case... isn't Vivaldi making it so uBlock is no longer going to work in a few months anyway? What would the solution be then? Brave/Firefox?I only just moved to vivaldi a few days ago (and liking it so far) but not sure it's worth getting used to the new setup if they'd going to self-destruct themselves in a couple months...
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@TbGbe said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):
@nirin You should see
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/93057/how-will-vivaldi-deal-with-google-s-manifest-v3Yeh I have, that's how I knew uBlock would stop working on Vivaldi in the near future.
Also why I was trying to make vivaldi's built-in adblock to function, but from my current extensive testing it... just doesn't work. It isn't capable of blocking youtube ads. Unless there's some combination of lists that I haven't tried.
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@nirin I get no ads on youtube and I’ve been using the internal one for over a year. If all your attempts fail you can always load the video embed ☛ https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/747513. It’s also a good idea to use Vivaldi’s internal RSS reader to take care of channel feeds, then just watch it in the reader. And never log in to youtube, there is no valid reason to do that.
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So I'm assuming (going from vague rumours I had seen) that youtube has detected vivaldi ad-blocking specifically………..
Look this post and you will notice that uBO has had to modify its code on a daily basis to combat YT ads.
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@luetage said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):
@nirin I get no ads on youtube and I’ve been using the internal one for over a year. If all your attempts fail you can always load the video embed ☛ https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/747513. It’s also a good idea to use Vivaldi’s internal RSS reader to take care of channel feeds, then just watch it in the reader. And never log in to youtube, there is no valid reason to do that.
What combination of blocklists are you using?
As I say, the two results you get with Vivaldi are either the video doesn't play at all (buffering black screen where ads would be, with the video title being the title of the ad that isn't playing), or the video and ads play as normal (so completely not blocking ads).
Are you thinking of the static ads that are on the site and in the sidebar? They get blocked fine. It's the pre-video and mid-roll ads that vivaldi isn't blocking.
I hadn't thought to try playing the video as an embed, but having to do that for each video I can see being a bit of a pain. Not sure how it would handle playlists and view history.
Logging in is necessary for watch history and resume-view to work. uBlock works fine while logged in, so there's no reason for vivaldi not to work.
I am very curious how you are managing to get it to work without dynamic filtering (which seems to be the reason for uBlock's success).
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@barbudo2005 said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):
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So I'm assuming (going from vague rumours I had seen) that youtube has detected vivaldi ad-blocking specifically………..
Look this post and you will notice that uBO has had to modify its code on a daily basis to combat YT ads.
Yeh this is what I had assumed would be going on. But that makes it even more curious that @luetage has full adblocking on youtube using just vivaldi blocklists, which as far as I can tell are just basic DNS blocklists with no special dynamic filtering or regular code updates.
Though I do wonder why you find it funny lol. I assume you use Vivaldi too or you wouldn't be here, so when ads stop being blocked you'll be dealing with it with the rest of us.
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But that makes it even more curious that @luetage has full adblocking on youtube using just vivaldi blocklists...
This issue is different for each country. Read the other thread that @TbGbe suggested to you.
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Though I do wonder why you find it funny lol.
It's funny because the Vivaldi team does not make lists, so YT does not modify its code to fight Vivaldi browser.
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@barbudo2005 said in Vivalidi AdBlock failing for youtube (even with corrected blocklists):
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But that makes it even more curious that @luetage has full adblocking on youtube using just vivaldi blocklists...
This issue is different for each country. Read the other thread that @TbGbe suggested to you.
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Though I do wonder why you find it funny lol.
It's funny because the Vivaldi team does not make lists, so YT does not modify its code to fight Vivaldi browser.
Well ok, if YT hasn't modified it's code specifically to defeat Vivaldi... that means the vivaldi adblocker -never worked- and the dev team were just happy to leave it in it's current non-working state lol.
To fight rumors I recommend you to read these threads:
Yeh... I'm not sure what point you're trying to make sorry. From what I can see, all of those threads agree with what I already said. One of them even goes on to suggest "stop using vivaldi built in adblocker, use uBlock instead, vivaldi blocker doesn't work".
Which is fine, because vivaldi currently allows for uBlock to be installed, but in a few months they seem to be going along with the Manifest V3 change, which will mean no more uBlock.
You seem to either be misunderstanding the problem, or you are unaware that the built-in adblocker is insufficient, or you are unaware of what the ManifestV3 change will actually mean. Perhaps you should read those threads too?
I have no provided any rumors.
