AI Assistant to Vivaldi

Catweazle

@ivan-a-petkov, there are several options you can use with Vivaldi, the above mencioned Andisearch, which at least for me, is highly recommendable. Apart as an good assistant, maybe the Perplexity extension .
Depending for what you need, you can take a look in these sites, where for sure you'll find what fits your needs.

Tip: At least for the moment, avoid AIs offered by Google

ivan.a.petkov

@Catweazle, thank you for the recommended plugins and sites! They are completely irrelevant to a mobile browser and the use cases that I mentioned above.

I use artificial voice on my mobile phone to read news when I travel. It is extremely convenient. The other scenario that I started using recently is the summary of an article - saves time and makes me more productive. I must use three browsers: Vivaldi as my main non-AI browser, Edge to listen to the articles, Samsung browser to make resumes of the articles.

Waste of time and extra clicks.

Again, I hope а good open-source alternative emerges because AI is the future and every single browser on the market will implement it soon or later. I'm sure Vivaldi will include similar functionalities.

SkyBorg

My vote is HELL NO to AI in the browser.

Catweazle

@ivan-a-petkov, I use Andisearch also on mobile with the Vivaldi widget (Search engines of your desktop also synced to Mobile). Apart there are a lot of AI apps for mobile and OpenSource , OpenSource LLM where you can create your own apps, even to use them online, OS irrelevant, with the help of Hugging Face, where you can host it even for free. In Hugging Face Spaces there are tons of functional examples.

ivan.a.petkov

Knowing Vivaldi's position on AI, the following news is very good (for me):

Firefox now lets you choose your preferred AI chatbot in its Nightly builds.

I currently use MS Edge for summarizing long texts, which I don't particularly like. I hope to use this functionality in Firefox soon.

DoctorG

@ivan-a-petkov Why do you promote Firefox in a Vivaldi Community Services thread?
Wrong forum? You should post at https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/17/browsers

ivan.a.petkov

@DoctorG said in AI Assistant to Vivaldi:

@ivan-a-petkov Why do you promote Firefox in a Vivaldi Community Services thread?
Wrong forum? You should post at https://forum.vivaldi.net/category/17/browsers

@DoctorG, let me give you a brief context before I answer your question. In my profession, I must use AI because I wouldn't be competitive. I use it for many things, from writing emails and summarizing meetings to searching and structuring information. More on extracting text from video and summarizing it; to make video and pictures etc. etc.

Since browsers are no longer software for loading and viewing web pages, I use the AI integration in browsers to:

Summary of research information.
Reading articles by AI voice mostly when I travel.

Whether or not I want to use AI and what I think about the level of protection of the information I provide is not that important because I have no choice - without using AI the time to complete my tasks would increase by a lot and I become completely uncompetitive.

Now to your question: No, I'm not promoting FF. Vivaldi is my browser of choice. But following the position of Vivaldi's team: Why Vivaldi won’t follow the current AI trend? , I have no choice and must use another browser for some of the tasks listed above.

No, I'm not promoting another browser. In fact, the Vivaldi team promote their browser as the only popular browser without AI integration. Chrome, Edge, Opera, Brave, Safari - they all have or are in the process of integrating AI.

I know the Vivaldi team is small, and I'm willing to donate some small amount, along with other users, if the team announces that they need funds to implement the AI. The speed of development of the AI is such that I don't see any time soon how a serious professional will want to waste time in additional clicking instead of using the AI integration in their browser. This is only my opinion.

I respect the opinion of the VIvaldi team, but I don't understand it. It's too Netscape-esque for me...

Catweazle

@ivan-a-petkov, I see the things different, I know that nowadays AI can be very usefull and even needed, but precisely because of this and very different needs of certain tasks as you say, it is absurd to include an standart ChatAI as function in a browser, which is more an promotion gag than really usefull.
It's like an inbuild Paint for an graphic designer if you want to use it professionally.
Currently there are more than 7.000 AI services and apps out there for especific tasks, all of these easy to include or use with Vivaldi, creating an infrastructure which really serve your needs, way better as un inbuild standart Vivaldi AI ever can do. There are a whole World out of an Chatbot which can also summarize, more or less reliable, or even redirect you to malware sites like Google AI.

Maybe in a future, when Vivaldi is a way bigger company, with enough serverpower to run also an powerfull and really reliable LLM, it willinclude it in the browser, but until now it simply don't make sense.
For me is more as enough Andisearch as search engine and the Perplexity extension which you can find in the Chrome Store, both can summarize and explain contents, Andi in the web and the Perplexity extension in the page where you are, both without account, direct answers and results of reliable sources

https://andisearch.com/?query=%s

As said before, take a look what is out there for your needs or even create your own AI for your tasks with datasets and apps in HuggingFace
https://www.futuretools.io
https://www.futurepedia.io
https://huggingface.co

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mikeyb2001

Guys, since AI will never be officially integrated into the browser, the best we can do is add Web Panels to external tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, Grammarly, etc..

ivan.a.petkov

@mikeyb2001 said in AI Assistant to Vivaldi:

Guys, since AI will never be officially integrated into the browser, the best we can do is add Web Panels to external tools like ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, Grammarly, etc..

@mikeyb2001, Of course I use AI integration in Web Panels, but it requires extra effort/clicks to perform the basic tasks described above.

I gave Firefox as an example because they don't use (I suppose) their own infrastructure to incorporate AI into the sidebar, enabling a summary of text from an open web page, for example.

As I wrote, they are important for me and I must use other browsers, since I don't plan to waste time in unnecessary actions when researching several texts, but I prefer to open a browser with the mentioned integration and do my work quickly.

Right now, Vivaldi gives me a lot more benefits than the lack of AI integration. I'll use two or three browsers until one of them meets my basic needs and switch to it entirely.

I'm done with the topic. The future will show how useful such integrations are for the mass browser user and whether they are decisive in choosing a browser.

PS. Another example: In the latest version of Vivaldi, there are many improvements in the mail client, but they are at the level of the pre-AI era mail client. To date, the most important functionality for me in a mail client is to write my emails in a different style.

And here comes the most important moment!

Productivity and competitiveness in the professional field are undoubtedly important. But the most important thing is the time saved to spend with family, with friends, for hobbies, for meditation... Time is the most valuable resource and I would use anything that saves me and gives me the opportunity to use it for real the important things. Everything else fades into the background. As they say, no one remembers at the end of their life how many times they stayed up late to work, but they certainly regret the missed time they could have spent with loved ones.

In this regard, the technology that frees up my time is useful for me!!!

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mikeyb2001

@raalapas also it would probably give suggestions for workspace rules which is already in other browsers actually there's technically already an AI
That literally does stuff for you within the browser it's the command line Style which you could just make it a chat

DoctorG

Much more server infrastructure is then needed. - Costs, perhaps licence fees.
Currently Vivaldi Team does not want to add AI to browser.

mikeyb2001

@DoctorG wasn't necessarily saying it was feasible but just saying it wouldn't necessarily need to be a privacy risk

Zalex108

@DoctorG said in AI Assistant to Vivaldi:

Currently Vivaldi Team does not want to add AI to browser.

I would prefer FI | Fire Intelligence.

DoctorG

@Zalex108 Our new Chatbot AITony

Aaron

All current AI is very immature - often making nonsense.
Therefore, I support the Vivaldi team’s choice

raalapas

Ok. Read all views and agree for both sides.
The least we can expect an option to add a custom model with our own api keys which can read current page and summarize it and other stuff like email writing. How does this sound?

Catweazle

@raalapas, each user is free to add the AI they want, as Vivaldi does not want to include an AI in the browser by default, it does not mean that it will prevent the user from doing so if they wish.