Multi-Account Containers
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This feature is absolutely important for those people who still mainly use Firefox and want to switch to a Chromium-based browser. However, because this feature is nearly Firefox-only, they(include me) don't switch browsers yet.
As a result, I've hard to recommend friends and other people to use Vivaldi because this feature is unavailable on almost all Chromium-based browsers.
Multi-Account Containers in Firefox is not just a light-weight isolated session environment but can also use for tab management(see also:Simple Tab Groups – Firefox).
I love Vivaldi, if let me list the top-3 browsers l liked, the order is: Vivaldi, Firefox, and Edge(Chromium-based). So even Vivaldi have so many features I liked, I have to use Firefox because the container feature is too useful for me.
If Vivaldi finally implements this feature, I promise I can let over hundreds of people who use Chrome/Edge/Firefox know how Vivaldi a perfect browser as it.
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@Martin-Storch said in Multi-Account Containers:
@venix
A web browser should keep the data in each tab separate from other tabs in general - like a sandbox. And only allow communication between tabs on request and with the users permission.Or is that the case already (in Vivaldi/Chrome)? How many information can a website sniff out form another website in a different tab in that same browser?
A bit late to the party, but what you are suggesting I like a whole lot better, which is basically automatic containers unless one specifies to have 2 or more tabs share their data. This would certainly put Vivaldi a head of the game where containers are concerned.
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For me having this great feature request implemented is as important as having the true portability implemented (wanna-have priority №1).
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I switched from Firefox to Vivaldi... most of the time.
The one thing that I still use Firefox for is "Containers". The Firefox implementation is awesome and combined with it's Facebook (don't track me around the web) feature is one of the things that makes firefox the no.1 choice for many people.
I would absolutely love to see these built into Vivaldi. This would be at the top of my list for features wanted in Vivaldi.
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Peppermint Linux made an application for their operating system Called ICE, that creates SSB's (Site Specific Browser instances). This application does more that what I am a going to mention here, but one of the functions is to create containerised browser sessions.
For the purpose of this thread, this isn't as convenient as having Containers built into the browser. Though they built it for a slightly different purpose, which it does very well.
Side Note for Linux users: I believe that ICE can be installed on other Ubuntu based distributions. I also know that Linux Mint are also working on their own implementation of this called their "WebApp Manager" which also works wit Vivaldi and can isolate the browser session.
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@ardhill nice I'll def have a look. Thanks
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I think containers are a very cool thing, but also quite complex, Vivaldi can start from a private tab ( https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24395/private-tabs ) - it's probably easier to do, but this function partially replaces containers.
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@tverye said in Multi-Account Containers:
I think containers are a very cool thing, but also quite complex, Vivaldi can start from a private tab ( https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24395/private-tabs ) - it's probably easier to do, but this function partially replaces containers.
Not even remotely the same thing. How private tabs / windows behave are COMPLETELY different to how containers behave.
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I recently started to try Vivaldi and find it quite good. Lots of intuitive and useful features.
BUT, without something like container tabs, I can't switch from Firefox. Container tabs are a necessity for private and functional browser. I don't think I can ever go back.
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For the moment the lack of this feuture is the only thing stopping me from using Vivaldi as my main browser.
Its also the only thing that stops me from recomending this browser to friends,family, Co-workers and people i know on forums.The lack of multi-account containers is sadly a deal-breaker for me.
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@macaroni said in Multi-Account Containers:
For the moment the lack of this feuture is the only thing stopping me from using Vivaldi as my main browser.
Its also the only thing that stops me from recomending this browser to friends,family, Co-workers and people i know on forums.The lack of multi-account containers is sadly a deal-breaker for me.
Exactly. Found this feature on Firefox a week ago and cant miss it anymore.
Those arguments "Its hard to.." cant take it serious, because other browsers CAN.
For example transparent Titelbar and Containers. -
Also looking forward to this useful feature
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I'd argue that the contextualIdentities API is the biggest development in browsers in the recent years.
I mean there are a lot of developments but most of them often don't really focus the user but rather the website owners. Tons of stuff like notifications, payments and whatsoever is made possible but there has been almost no development on the user side of things. In terms of "make the browsing experience better and less annoying for the user". This includes simple usability stuff like "Don't force me to accept or deny a notification permission popup" up to privacy und security issues.contextualIdentities API is great in Firefox but has some drawbacks as of now (December 2020):
- history is the same for all contexts
- bookmarks are the same for all contexts
- and some TLS exceptions and other security related stuff (see https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Project/Containers#What_is_.28and_isn.27t.29_separated_between_Containers )
I always thought that Chrome (and hence Vivaldi too) could solve this by just making it possible to use different Profiles (yes the ones that were mentioned in the 2nd and 3rd post of this thread) in different tabs. So in other words: There would be no need to open another window with a different profile, but instead you could just open a tab with a different profile. Would be an awesome feature and solution.
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@UwK9hITH1PB6kzpE said in Multi-Account Containers:
but there has been almost no development on the user side of things. In terms of "make the browsing experience better and less annoying for the user". This includes simple usability stuff like "Don't force me to accept or deny a notification permission popup" up to privacy und security issues.
Not even remotely true. And before you ask I'm not going into detail, cause the current state of the Vivaldi browser speaks for it's self.
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@AlienProber said in Multi-Account Containers:
the current state of the Vivaldi browser speaks for it's self
still catching up to Opera and Firefox in almost every matter meaning improvements were made years ago in other products and last few years is constant degradation of browser market?
contextual identities are the one and only new thing that happened recently (unless you count razer integration...)
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@zakius I completely don't understand why a 5-year-old browser with a tiny development team is not introducing every feature that 30-year-old browsers with tens to hundreds more developers employ, already have. It makes no sense. A tiny team in a short time should clearly do more than a huge team in a long time. Yeah? I suppose by this same logic, Otter Browser, with basically a two-man team and a head start on Vivaldi, should now be far, far ahead of all other browsers in features and usability. Because less is clearly more.
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@Ayespy you failed to understand what I meant
I understand why V needs time but it was about new features, never known before
and contextual identities is the only one in last few years with V introducing nothing new, only re-introducing ones we lostand technically Otter has better gestures control and toolbar configuration, but again, these are not brand new features
and don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming anyone for not inventing new features either, browsers ecosystem used to be so advanced there's very little to even imagine so it's given new things will appear maybe every few years, the sole point was countering "vivaldi shows there's a lot of innovation" while actually it's just renaissance after middle ages caused by chrome invasion that killed Opera and sabotaged Firefox for years till getting it done in 2017 too
bringing back long lost feature is not innovation, that's all
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@zakius said in Multi-Account Containers:
@AlienProber said in Multi-Account Containers:
the current state of the Vivaldi browser speaks for it's self
still catching up to Opera and Firefox in almost every matter meaning improvements were made years ago in other products and last few years is constant degradation of browser market?
contextual identities are the one and only new thing that happened recently (unless you count razer integration...)
You do know Firefox still has MAJOR issues with mainstream addons and Opera is out of China now.
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@AlienProber no, Firefox is dead and Opera is dead
but Vivaldi hasn't caught up to their capabilities, still needs some time to reintroduce everything that got abandoned -
support. in firefox, this is implemented much better and more convenient than session box. this feature is much more important than the clock in the browser or this built-in game.