Any word on M3? (internal mail client)
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@fifonik said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
for those that use IMAP and have all their stuff on server, you can test the database.
I thought that for IMAP the search performed by server.
Thanks anyway. I hope we'll see it sooner than later.If you prefetch all the mail, they will be local and can be searched locally.
Cheers,
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
If you prefetch all the mail, they will be local and can be searched locally.
Cheers,
Jon.Wow. If mail ever arrives on mobile, that will be sweet. The clients that are cannot handle locally fetched 10k! How much GB are even 500k mails :-D?
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@felagund Hardly depends on whether you also fetch and store your attachments. For me, the median for a mail is around 9kB and the mean possibly around 60kB per mail. Would be around 30GB for 500k mails.
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@jumpsq That amount of disk space should give a good test case for the performance of the underlying Engine, DB, Indexing and such.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
If you prefetch all the mail, they will be local and can be searched locally.
Ah, so like M2, no IMAP server-side searching.
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@burnout426 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Ah, so like M2, no IMAP server-side searching.
Actually, searching-wise is the one thing where Gmail is superior to M2 (and it also keeps better track of threads, but displays them poorly), I sometimes use it for some complicated searches and I get results I do not get with M2. But I just might better know gmail's way of searching. Or it might be that it allows fuzzy searches (so it displays "dogs" when I search for "dog" - which is hugely important in my native language, where most words as used in a sentence use inflection suffixes)
@jumpsq said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@felagund Hardly depends on whether you also fetch and store your attachments. For me, the median for a mail is around 9kB and the mean possibly around 60kB per mail. Would be around 30GB for 500k mails.
I have around 30 GB with all the roughly 25k "converstaions" in Gmail (how can you count e-mails in M2?) - so I would expect that to be around 80k mails. But I store all the attachments.
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@felagund said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
how can you count e-mails in M2?
hover at Inbox and you should get a tooltip with the number
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@derDay said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@felagund said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
how can you count e-mails in M2?
hover at Inbox and you should get a tooltip with the number
Ha, 250k! (some are doubled though due to forwarding, I should fix my IMAP setup)
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@jumpsq said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@felagund Hardly depends on whether you also fetch and store your attachments. For me, the median for a mail is around 9kB and the mean possibly around 60kB per mail. Would be around 30GB for 500k mails.
That is pretty close to what my mail takes in total on disk.
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Since the first technical preview of the vivaldi browser I'm looking forwards to the vivaldi email client M3. I use vivaldi all that time. Sometimes I needed an other browser But now Vivaldi is the only browser I use. I was also a user of opera M2. After every stable release i hope M3 will appear in th next snapshot. Until now it was not the time for it. But
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@Janjoore said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Since the first technical preview of the vivaldi browser I'm looking forwards to the vivaldi email client M3. I use vivaldi all that time. Sometimes I needed an other browser But now Vivaldi is the only browser I use. I was also a user of opera M2. After every stable release i hope M3 will appear in th next snapshot. Until now it was not the time for it. But
reading this topic I think I have to be patient.Yes, sadly things take longer than what you hope at times. We should have a build for you to test soon, though.
Cheers,
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
We should have a build for you to test soon, though.
Why does this remind me of Duke Nukem Forever? Although my guess would be that M3 will turn out better than that game (which I actually never played).
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@Janjoore said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Since the first technical preview of the vivaldi browser I'm looking forwards to the vivaldi email client M3. I use vivaldi all that time. Sometimes I needed an other browser But now Vivaldi is the only browser I use. I was also a user of opera M2. After every stable release i hope M3 will appear in th next snapshot. Until now it was not the time for it. But
reading this topic I think I have to be patient.Yes, sadly things take longer than what you hope at times. We should have a build for you to test soon, though.
Cheers,
Jon.Can't wait! Quick, maybe dumb, question though: will said test build be a Snapshot or a separate Technical Preview? I hope for a Snapshot
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@Vistaus I think it will appear for one or two snapshot cycles and then will go in stable too (as was made for sync).
Is more in private beta now.. No need for a TP -
For those not keeping up on things, there's a major gmail redesign on the horizon. So, a good time to release that tech preview would be right about now, as a whole lot of people are going to have a whole lot of frustrations with their webmail very, very soon.
just saying...
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@jdvernet A good time, or a really, really bad time. Every time Google changes something on the GMail backend, it breaks M3 (again). A newly-broken M3 that can't negotiate Gmail's already-insanely-difficult IMAP protocols would, I'm sure, be overwhelmingly popular.
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@Ayespy The redesign has little to do with mail, they are trying to stuff their other services onto the gmail page.
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@luetage One hopes it does not impact the GMail backend AT ALL. Forcing GMail OAuth set back M3 by six months all by itself.
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Here's the official announcement thus far and as luetage stated, there's seems to be very little about mail itself, and more about trying to stuff 10 pounds of features into a five pound bag. At first blush, it looks like a complete mess. But who knows, perhaps it's more eloquent in practice? Anyway, in taking the internet's temperature about what's on the horizon, it's seems that a whole lot of people are practically begging for an alternative right about now.
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If Vivaldi can implement Peer-to-Peer file-sharing like Opera Unite, users might have a way to collaborate without sharing their data with Google, or anyone else that do not wish to share with. Zoom has also proved to be at risk of being hacked.