Any word on M3? (internal mail client)
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@fifonik said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
We will add import as well. Just a question of allowing you to play with M3 before import is ready. If you like M2, you are going to love M3.
Thanks Jon!
I'm also waiting M3 (and using M2 standalone).
I'd expect that with import ready more people will be able to test some real life usage scenarios.
Search (my work outlook is painfully slow on search), how labels work for many messages, how fast everything in the program (if it is slow on large DB some DB changes might be required), how DB maintenance works, etc.
Not sure if "blank" DB is really useful for testing.@fifonik , for those that use IMAP and have all their stuff on server, you can test the database. I have more than 500k mails, for example, so I have been able to test things quite well with a decent size mailbox.
Cheers,
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@Steffie said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
we will add whatever else you may find wanting
For a moment i allowed myself a frisson of excitement, choosing to interpret this as a
Yes
to my list above. Thereafter, my usual pessimism took over again. I truly look forward to being proven wrong, teehee.Btw, i really appreciate your active community involvement here; it is so nice that we have it.
@Steffie , I think your list looks reasonable. Basically to get import working, which is our goal, although not for the TP. Our goal is also to make the calendar very good. It is quite different to other calendars in some important ways, but I will not say more on that yet.
Cheers,
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
for those that use IMAP and have all their stuff on server, you can test the database.
I thought that for IMAP the search performed by server.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
I have more than 500k mails
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@fifonik said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
for those that use IMAP and have all their stuff on server, you can test the database.
I thought that for IMAP the search performed by server.
Thanks anyway. I hope we'll see it sooner than later.If you prefetch all the mail, they will be local and can be searched locally.
Cheers,
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
If you prefetch all the mail, they will be local and can be searched locally.
Cheers,
Jon.Wow. If mail ever arrives on mobile, that will be sweet. The clients that are cannot handle locally fetched 10k! How much GB are even 500k mails :-D?
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@felagund Hardly depends on whether you also fetch and store your attachments. For me, the median for a mail is around 9kB and the mean possibly around 60kB per mail. Would be around 30GB for 500k mails.
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@jumpsq That amount of disk space should give a good test case for the performance of the underlying Engine, DB, Indexing and such.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
If you prefetch all the mail, they will be local and can be searched locally.
Ah, so like M2, no IMAP server-side searching.
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@burnout426 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Ah, so like M2, no IMAP server-side searching.
Actually, searching-wise is the one thing where Gmail is superior to M2 (and it also keeps better track of threads, but displays them poorly), I sometimes use it for some complicated searches and I get results I do not get with M2. But I just might better know gmail's way of searching. Or it might be that it allows fuzzy searches (so it displays "dogs" when I search for "dog" - which is hugely important in my native language, where most words as used in a sentence use inflection suffixes)
@jumpsq said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@felagund Hardly depends on whether you also fetch and store your attachments. For me, the median for a mail is around 9kB and the mean possibly around 60kB per mail. Would be around 30GB for 500k mails.
I have around 30 GB with all the roughly 25k "converstaions" in Gmail (how can you count e-mails in M2?) - so I would expect that to be around 80k mails. But I store all the attachments.
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@felagund said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
how can you count e-mails in M2?
hover at Inbox and you should get a tooltip with the number
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@derDay said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@felagund said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
how can you count e-mails in M2?
hover at Inbox and you should get a tooltip with the number
Ha, 250k! (some are doubled though due to forwarding, I should fix my IMAP setup)
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@jumpsq said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@felagund Hardly depends on whether you also fetch and store your attachments. For me, the median for a mail is around 9kB and the mean possibly around 60kB per mail. Would be around 30GB for 500k mails.
That is pretty close to what my mail takes in total on disk.
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Since the first technical preview of the vivaldi browser I'm looking forwards to the vivaldi email client M3. I use vivaldi all that time. Sometimes I needed an other browser But now Vivaldi is the only browser I use. I was also a user of opera M2. After every stable release i hope M3 will appear in th next snapshot. Until now it was not the time for it. But
reading this topic I think I have to be patient. -
@Janjoore said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Since the first technical preview of the vivaldi browser I'm looking forwards to the vivaldi email client M3. I use vivaldi all that time. Sometimes I needed an other browser But now Vivaldi is the only browser I use. I was also a user of opera M2. After every stable release i hope M3 will appear in th next snapshot. Until now it was not the time for it. But
reading this topic I think I have to be patient.Yes, sadly things take longer than what you hope at times. We should have a build for you to test soon, though.
Cheers,
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
We should have a build for you to test soon, though.
Why does this remind me of Duke Nukem Forever? Although my guess would be that M3 will turn out better than that game (which I actually never played).
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@Janjoore said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Since the first technical preview of the vivaldi browser I'm looking forwards to the vivaldi email client M3. I use vivaldi all that time. Sometimes I needed an other browser But now Vivaldi is the only browser I use. I was also a user of opera M2. After every stable release i hope M3 will appear in th next snapshot. Until now it was not the time for it. But
reading this topic I think I have to be patient.Yes, sadly things take longer than what you hope at times. We should have a build for you to test soon, though.
Cheers,
Jon.Can't wait! Quick, maybe dumb, question though: will said test build be a Snapshot or a separate Technical Preview? I hope for a Snapshot
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@Vistaus I think it will appear for one or two snapshot cycles and then will go in stable too (as was made for sync).
Is more in private beta now.. No need for a TP -
For those not keeping up on things, there's a major gmail redesign on the horizon. So, a good time to release that tech preview would be right about now, as a whole lot of people are going to have a whole lot of frustrations with their webmail very, very soon.
just saying...
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@jdvernet A good time, or a really, really bad time. Every time Google changes something on the GMail backend, it breaks M3 (again). A newly-broken M3 that can't negotiate Gmail's already-insanely-difficult IMAP protocols would, I'm sure, be overwhelmingly popular.