Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default
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@Pesala lol sorry my bad. i was referring to old posts i've seen by devs but now i've just saw that this feature along some others which i like a lot too have been moved to pipeline. what does this mean? in progress i guess they are already being actively developed.
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Why is this simple request still not added?
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what a weird reason to deny adding something so basic that every browser follows. At least shift the open in background tab as the default first option.
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@EvilSpark As Gaelle said, although it seems simple to add, it has a lot of potential consequences that make it far from a trivial issue.
Although it is a popular request, it is only one of 2,571 current feature requests. The Vivaldi team is small and has to fix bugs and regressions to keep up with Chromium updates, not to mention producing versions for Linux, MacOS, and the Android browser, and a built-in email client.
Again, Allow Editing of Menus is the most voted for feature request, but it is not a trivial undertaking to implement this. It would solve a number of related issues without creating a new one, which simply moving the background option to the top would do.
Vivaldi is not like other browsers, that is why we use it. It has the same roots as Opera 12.18, which has a fully customisable menu.
@EvilSpark said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
what a weird reason to deny adding something so basic that every browser follows.
I just checked in FIrefox 75. The default menu there does not even have an option to open a link in a background tab.
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- In order to edit it, one just need to move the function up. It won't even take more than a few minutes to find and do it.
- FIrefox default open in new tab opens in background tab.
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Vivaldi is not like other browsers, that is why we use it.
Not being same does not mean that you just need to make everything different from the basic thing that every browser follow just to make it look unique right? Especially when it hinders the user than to help him. Having multiple options every time is never a good thing.
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+1 (Strangely I didn't upvote this feature)
A native way to do this would be very welcome[I'll write in this space the ones I test]
- Click To Tab: Don't work.
- Link Blanker: Partially work. Don't catch "inpage-links".
- Long Click New Tab: I guess the hold link is "safer" than the other approach. Last update on 2012(!)
Sometimes make harder to drag away links (eg: for bookmarking) - Tabloc: Work. Sort of. (Seems to have bugs however)
Note: The "inpage-links" also will make open in new tabs every button you click. Which is quite unwanted. Last updated on 2015.
I fear Gaelle have right
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@Hadden89 Nope. Nothing changed because its super complex feature and will take too much time to fix it.
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@Hadden89 i have tried every possible option/extension and there is not. the closest behaviour you can get is to have leave it as default. i have renounced all extensions for the issues you too mentioned.
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Hi,
I'm what is probably going to be one of a small wave of users incoming after the forced Megabar changes in Firefox, especially since the new upcoming release is eliminating the option to remove it. This behaviour from a browser isn't something I'm willing to adapt to, unfortunately. I'm on a laptop exclusively, so no middle click, and I'm not going to re-learn a keyboard shortcut to replace what's essentially been muscle memory since the introduction of tabbed browsing.
Also, for all I'm reading about overwhelming customizability there seem to be feature requests for this going back to 2016, so I guess I'll follow the Vivaldi twitter and hope that there's an announcement and in the meantime I'll jump over to Waterfox.
Even a clunky workaround like simply overriding that behaviour and leaving both options in the menu would be good enough!
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@Subduction Menus will become customizable, and users will be able to set this for themselves. That's a major project, however, and will come out (perhaps in stages) when it's ready. Whenever that is will be "too slow" for a number of users, I'm sure.
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@Ayespy said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
@Subduction Menus will become customizable, and users will be able to set this for themselves. That's a major project, however, and will come out (perhaps in stages) when it's ready. Whenever that is will be "too slow" for a number of users, I'm sure.
Again, there have been posts about this since 2016. As someone trying out a new alternative that's not very reassuring that something that's absolutely critical to myself and from reading around here and reddit a substantial number of others. I'm not a dev, it's not my browser, and I have no right to demand something of the people who make this browser available to us for free, but now is probably a decent window to get power users fed up with Mozilla going walled-garden on their UX and this clearly is a sticking point for a lot of people.
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@Subduction Please see this post by GaΓ«lle, the Community Manager.
The PIPELINE tag does not mean that this feature won't ever be added, but it does mean that they are not actively working on it.
There are several viable workarounds already mentioned above. That is the best anyone can offer you currently.
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@Pesala said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
There are several viable workarounds already mentioned above.
"Just do it in a different way" is not a viable workaround when the explicit issue many people have is "I don't want to do it a different way after doing the same thing for ~20 years".
And respectfully, it's the best anyone can offer with Vivaldi. That's not the same as the best anyone can offer.
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@Subduction To be fair, ClassicOpera refugees also have decades-long muscle memory from the fact that ClassicOpera, as built by many of the same team members (and the same founder) who are building Vivaldi, invented "open in new tab" back in the mists of time before it was stolen by other browsers, and that function defaulted to open in foreground tab. So we (I for sure) could never get used to the counter-intuitive fact that if you tried to "open in new tab" in a chromium-based browser or firefox or an MS browser, it opened the tab but hid it in the background and you had to go looking for it. It always pissed me off after Opera turned to Chropera. So we fully expect the function to work the way it was invented - open in foreground. And as the original Opera designers designed Vivaldi, they made it to work for the very people they were trying to attract - ClassicOpera refugees who were chafing under the NeuOpera regime.
Understand, the way you got used to it was a corruption from the way it was invented. Still, there are multiples more users used to the corrupted version than used to the original version.
Hence, there will be customizable menus and you will be able to make it the way you want it.
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@Ayespy That's all fair, and again I understand that the devs of Vivaldi owe me nothing. That said, nobody is calling for the default behaviour to be removed or even not be made default, rather this seems to be a long-running issue that users have had for, to be clear, nearly half a decade. If it was one of those things that was an active-in-the-pipeline-with-a-date-in-mind then I could just set a calendar notification and switch to a different browser for a bit because, to be clear, Vivaldi seems really good. I just don't think "do things a different way" is a 'workaround' to an issue of "I don't want to take the time to do things differently". Respectfully that's less of a workaround and more telling new users to shut up and deal with it.
Interestingly, I'm a scientist and I see a lot of comments from other scientists and researchers about this feature, it's difficult when we need to open a couple of dozen papers in rapid succession and no, extra steps are not really a great option for us. What I don't understand is why not even have an experimental flag that effectively disables the tab switching entirely without touching the menu options (so both top options would open in the background). Ugly, sure, but from a coding perspective that is not the same beast as fully customizable right click menus.
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@Subduction said in Option to Open New Tabs in Background as Default:
Again, there have been posts about this since 2016
Work on customizable menus overall only began recently.
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@Subduction I suspect such an experimental flag would not be trivial to implement.