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[becm]

@zakius the extent of feed related persistent data (history size, item flags) was not mentioned so far. I just suggested features to minimize or (partially) remove old/excessive metadata and content.
All functionality is contained within a feed processor/renderer instance and (removal and unread count aside) largely independent from an entry in a subscription overview on the side panel.

There is a more than ten year old RFC to refer to endpoints with older/special items (full history included). Server and client implementations are expected to support this by now.

[ozoratsubasa]

@lonm said in RSS and Atom reader:

A side panel would be nice, for example, to list feed items, when clicked on they open the feed item in a new tab. (Ideally, each subsequent click of a panel feed item opens the full feed item in this same tab , without spawning tons of new ones).

If it were a panel, I could create folders (like bookmarks) to organize my feeds.

[NemoAnonymous]

@becm
I can't speak to the back end pieces and will defer to you on that. But there is one other aspect of end-user experience that is what caused me to question this. In other RSS implementation that leverage bookmarks in what I assume is a similar manner, they inevitably create another folder in the bookmarks hierarchy where they store all of these feeds. I find this highly annoying for the same reason you dislike merging mail and RSS: it doesn't belong and shoehorns functionality into a function that makes no sense for 90%+ of end users as most end users use bookmarks as static links. This additional folder becomes something they have to remember to ignore or they can break their RSS functionality (or whatever else is using it).

If the Devs decide to leverage bookmarks in the recommended fashion, I sincerely hope they hide it from the end users and leave it out of the bookmark UI.

[becm]

@nemoanonymous as already mentioned: I'd prefere an additional side panel for feed subscriptions.
So the only difference to the "3-pane" display in Opera12/M2 for feeds would be no mail (folders/accounts) related distractions in the subscription list segment.

[ghpy]

Vivaldi M3 - mail client, when?
And three years later this thread is labeled "In Progress". Disappointing.

[JuniorSilva30]

@ghpy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

Vivaldi M3 - mail client, when?
And three years later this thread is labeled "In Progress". Disappointing.

When it is solid, better to launch good and stable than something that could cause loss of user data.

[burnout426]

Things I'm interested in knowing:

• What IMAP extensions are supported? IDLE, QRESYNC, QUOTA, UIDPlus (with UID expunge), Special-Use (and XLIST), ID, CONDSTORE, SORT, THREAD, LITERAL+ etc.

• Are IMAP keywords supported and made use of in some way in the UI for labels or tags?

• Is oAuth2 supported as a login method for IMAP and SMTP?

• How many connections to the IMAP server are used? 1, 2 or 4 for example. Is it configurable?

• Is vCard supported for importing/exporting contacts?

• What storage format is used for the actual message sources? MBOX or database? If MBOX, 1 mbox per folder or per message?

Stuff like that.

[greybeard]

@burnout426 I am sure all will be revealed when an Alpha Release is made.
As of know we know the Vivaldi team is working on M3 (perhaps even testing a pre-Alpha version) so all we can do is to be patient and let them do their work.

[LigH]

I started to use Vivaldi in the hope that it would fulfill the promise to substitute Opera 12 as a wholesome web suite, including a mail and IRC client.

It is still only a browser. And I can still not get rid of Opera 12 completely.

The only other websuite I know is SeaMonkey. But I dislike its style.

[Ayespy]

@ligh M3. with RSS reader, is still in the works. It will happen.

[edwardp]

@ghpy

Actually, there are some messages on the Forum, on this subject going back FOUR years. I'm just about convinced that there will NOT be a mail client in Vivaldi.

I'm disappointed as well.

[Ayespy]

@edwardp Hate to disturb your blue funk, but your conviction is inaccurate, and your disappointment is unwarranted.

[burnout426]

One thing I hope M3 supports is composing/editing text/plain messages with an actual textarea instead of a rich text, document.designMode/contentEditable editor that tries to behave like a plain text editor. M2 did the rich text editor way and it was horribly buggy when composing plain text. There was some benefit in it as you could switch between text/plain and text/html with little loss of current content. But, it just wasn't worth all the problems it caused IMO. Sure, some of it could have been because of presto bugs with designMode, but I still don't trust that method for plain text mail, even with Chromium.

[Para-Noid]

@ayespy It would be nice if users realized that M3 and a RSS reader is going to happen. Any mail client is not an easy task. There are hiccups just waiting to happen. More snafu's than you can shake a stick at. I'm sure that every inside tester has seen more issues than they care to see.

Every day dawns with me opening V just to check out the blog and forums in hopes that I will find M3 has been released. I am both disappointed and relieved at the same time. Disappointed because M3 isn't out yet. Relieved knowing the V team is doing everything possible to have a finished product for us to use.

I want a polished product. Not one filled with bugs.

[Ayespy]

@para-noid said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

I'm sure that every inside tester has seen more issues than they care to see.

This is, of course, why it's not released yet.

[edwardp]

@ayespy

...after four years...

I'm being reasonable here. It shouldn't take four years to add a mail client.

Since numerous releases of version 1 were introduced, I hoped version 2 would then have it, but alas, no.

Sorry, still disappointed.

[Ayespy]

@edwardp said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

I'm being reasonable here. It shouldn't take four years to add a mail client.

Yeah, given the scope of the task and the size of the mail team, it should. The client is being written from scratch by a team that started out as just one guy. It's a much more complicated project than a browser.

[becm]

@ayespy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

It's a much more complicated project than a browser.

Only when starting both projects on an existing browser platform.

[LonM]

The latest snapshots have stuff in them showing progress is being made on the RSS reader., though it still shows no indication of when it will be ready:

[ROTFL]

@LonM But IMO this should be retagged as IN PROGRESS
@Pesala What do You think?...