Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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@ybjrepnfr I tested Ublock Origin Lite (Ublock Origin version for MV3) for a few days and it works well. I didn't notice any major drawbacks.
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@Preorian said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Your previous post is rather muddled; in the end you state that after next year NO browser can support v2, which is incorrect. At least Firefox will continue to support it. And I recently read a post by somebody working on uBO, or at least related to somehow, on uBO subreddit, that there are some, or one Chromium browser that is going to support v2. Can't remember where I read it though so I can't link to it now... but, we'll see in the future what happens.
You read in a subreddit a year ago someone posting that a chromium browser will keep V2? And that makes it a fact? Has it been at least posted from the developer of the browser and not from some random guy? Which browser? I am sorry but unless you let us know at least 1 chromium browser confirmed from the developers of the browser that is going to keep V2 after June 2025 you are not posting facts.
Btw that would be great, everybody could fork their great work as long as they provide regular updates and not an update every 3 months or 6 months:) A web engine needs constant updates because of security needs.
Firefox is going to develop a hybrid V2/V3 because they can do it. They have total control of Gecko. They can make changes in Gecko that won't break their hybrid V2/V3. -
Most people didn't realize it, but you can make Vivaldi's native adblock more powerful by importing lists from ublock or adguard.
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@electryon, v2 will finish in june 2025 for all browsers. If Firefox would support v2 longer than this date, there is no need for Mozilla to develop an hybrid solution (we'll see if it works next year)
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@kalebepalacioo said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Most people didn't realize it, but you can make Vivaldi's native adblock more powerful by importing lists from ublock or adguard.
I have tried these and got 99% in adblock tests.
The native adblocker is not bad at all but it needs improvements to support dynamic filtering and more rules.AdGuard Tracking Protection
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/AdguardTeam/FiltersRegistry/master/filters/filter_3_Spyware/filter.txtFanboy Social Blocking list
https://easylist-downloads.adblockplus.org/fanboy-social.txtFanboy Ultimate List (This includes Easylist, Easyprivacy, Enhanced Trackers List and Annoyances List)
https://fanboy.co.nz/r/fanboy-ultimate.txtHagezi Multi Pro++
https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/hagezi/dns-blocklists@latest/adblock/pro.plus.txt -
@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@electryon, v2 will finish in june 2025 for all browsers. If Firefox would support v2 longer than this date, there is no need for Mozilla to develop an hybrid solution (we'll see if it works next year)
Yes, you are 100% correct. I doubt any chromium browser would actually fork Blink for keeping V2. A complete fork would be needed, believing you could just put back the V2 code in current chromium codebase and it will work doesn't make sense.
Gecko will use an implementation of V3 that keeps V2 APIs too. -
@electryon
Hi, the only reason I use uBlock Lite is some pages recognize the Vivaldi ad blocker and block the complete page.
If this would work I kicked uBlock Lite immediately.
For example bild.de.Cheers, mib
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@electryon, FF need it, because it hasn't an inbuild blocker like Vivaldi. If v2 blocker still work after June 2025, Mozilla wouldn't have the need to work in this hybrid solution and could still use the v2 uBO and other extensions until they want, which isn't the case, because Google control also all his ads in the webpages and avoid the blocking by v2 blocker, like he does it already in YT with it's anti-adblock measures.
But as they say in Spain, where there is a law, there is also a way to get around it, which is why I don't worry too much, I have enough faith in our devs that they are able to find out how. At the moment I have enough with Vivaldiblocker and a small script, to be able to enjoy YT without ads at all. In other extensions, not related to security and privacy, it's irrelevant for me if they are v2 or v3, but not so with others. Because of this, an inbuld script manager will be usefull to avoid the Chrome store, I think, for functions which Google don't permit in the store.
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
because Google control also all his ads in the webpages and avoid the blocking by v2 blocker
You mean their ad-network ads that are on 3rd party webpages? Have you really thought about what you're claiming? How are they going to "embed" their 3rd party ads to webpages, with their own YT videos it's possible, to embed the ads into videos as part of the videos that are served to the users.. but how are you going to embed 3rd party ads to webpages so that v2 (or whatever tech) can't block them? Not going to happen, needs a revolution. Also you claimed that google does some anti-adblock measures with YT now? Not very successful I might add, I have no problems watching ad-free videos from YT.
@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
you are not posting facts
I thought it was pretty obvious by how I ended that; by saying that I don't have a link to verify it, and that the future will tell us how it is going to be.
BUT, now I have links, to uBO reddit, which is their official support site (so, members there who operate under the "uBO Team" tag/flair/whatever, are their official representatives).
3 months ago uBO Team user wrote here:
uBO is going to stay on FF and whichever chromium browser keeps MV2 (e.g. Brave).
uBOL is also available on FF for whoever wants a simple, permission-less blocker.
Here the same uBO Team user wrote 2 months ago, pretty clear that Firefox will continue to support v2 uBO, and stated e.g. this: "All browsers have been running v2 and v3 both for years now".
And here another uBO Team user says:
If you want the full capabilities of uBO, you will need to use a browser that supports MV2 such as Firefox, which uBO works best on.
Brave has also stated that they will continue to support uBO.
And here on Brave X-account, they wrote this about 5 months ago:
We'll support uBlock Origin and uMatrix even after Chrome stops doing so.
AFAIK, Brave is built on Chromium engine.
So there. At this point it looks like Firefox is the best option for using the "good-ole" uBO (if the user needs its powerful features that Vivaldi, at least currently, do not offer). And for chromium fans, Brave seems to be an option.
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@Preorian, how do you think, Google embeds his ads related to you data, based on his surveillance advertising methods?
Websites which use Google services and APIs (google-tagmanager, googleanalytics and those from Alphabet Inc, among others), which, send your data to Google on every visit, which return and embed the ads corresponding to this data.
This is why Vivaldi claims against the surveillance advertising methods.
eg.
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Man, what a sad shitshow. I remember long ago, when Google first hit the internet, and everybody was all hyped up for their high quality search and ever increasing number of features and services. And all for free! We all made a deal with the devil. "Don't be evil" should have tipped us off, but hindsight is 50/50.
I hope very much that something profound will happen and topple Google from their monopoly throne. I don't think I'll be using Vivaldi much longer, which is a damn shame because I love that browser, and it feels like the Opera situation all over again. But I don't want to be part of anything Google anymore, which includes Chromium. A Vivaldi rebase to Gecko would make my day.
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@kraligor, Chromium isn't the problem, it's 100% FOSS and because of this, it can be gutted to your like, what the Vivaldi devs do very well on every update. A good example is EDGE, well, it's a privacy nightmare like Chrome, but because of own tracking APIs in the Chromium base, but with zero relations to Google, in Edge remains nothing from Google.
No, the power of Google isn't Chromium, only with its Chrome Store, where it can gain influence with own extensions, or norms which define which extensions can stay in the store, and websites which use it's APIs and services.
Google dominate the web in great part, this is the main problem. Mozilla depend's more on Google than Vivaldi, because it's their main sponsor, apart also other advertising company which has signed a contract with Mozilla some month ago.
As you can see, it's not so easy to avoid Google, simply using another Browser and avoiding Chromium, with king Google that dominates half of the internet and even a large part of FOSS and OpenSource services.
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@kraligor, Chromium isn't the problem, it's 100% FOSS and because of this, it can be gutted to your like.
Chromium is a weapon in Google's arsenal, a 100% FOSS weapon, developed by Google for Google.
And yes, it can be gutted to your like, but only if you have enough money and manpower to check and change several gigabytes of Chromium code for each release. And Vivaldi does not have this power.An example: when, some time ago, Google removed "--disable-features=UserAgentClientHint" command line option what could Vivaldi have done? Nothing!
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You can adjust the UA to your like in the network setting, I think that the Vivaldi devs know very well what needs to be gutted and changed, they are doing it since 2015. It cost time, but because of this, Vivaldi releases are weeks behind the Chrome updates, except in security patches.
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@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
you are not posting facts
I thought it was pretty obvious by how I ended that; by saying that I don't have a link to verify it, and that the future will tell us how it is going to be.
BUT, now I have links, to uBO reddit, which is their official support site (so, members there who operate under the "uBO Team" tag/flair/whatever, are their official representatives).
3 months ago uBO Team user wrote here:
uBO is going to stay on FF and whichever chromium browser keeps MV2 (e.g. Brave).
uBOL is also available on FF for whoever wants a simple, permission-less blocker.
Here the same uBO Team user wrote 2 months ago, pretty clear that Firefox will continue to support v2 uBO, and stated e.g. this: "All browsers have been running v2 and v3 both for years now".
And here another uBO Team user says:
You said that you read in a subreddit that a chromium browser, at least one, will keep M2.
Your exact words "And I recently read a post by somebody working on uBO, or at least related to somehow, on uBO subreddit, that there are some, or one Chromium browser that is going to support v2."
Firefox is not a chromium browser you know and they have total control of Gecko and nobody from uBO develops any browser.
Name it... which chromium browser(s) is going to keep MV2??? -
@Preorian said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
At this point it looks like Firefox is the best option for using the "good-ole" uBO (if the user needs its powerful features that Vivaldi, at least currently, do not offer). And for chromium fans, Brave seems to be an option.
Both: No, NOT. Trusting a commercial company having own "accepatable" ads!? Really?
Firefox adds/injects their own ad/tracking system.
Brave used the same in the past. -
For the past month or so I've disabled uBlock Origin and I must say that I'm impressed with Vivaldi's built in adblocker
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What happens to my installed extensions when Manifest v3 update is implemented, will my installed extensions that only use Manifest v2 update still work?
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@stardepp said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
ill my installed extensions that only use Manifest v2 update still work?
I fear: No. I do not know that Vivaldi devs can create a workaround to support old v2 Manifest. But that is my may be incorrect knowledge.
As i interpret this section and following sentences they try to enhance Vivaldi Blocker itself. -
@DoctorG, which is the only way possible, to improve the inbuild features. Mv2 extensions after June 2025 will not longer work, at least not in by Google controlled sites., nor you'll find v2 extensions in the stores.
