Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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Man, what a sad shitshow. I remember long ago, when Google first hit the internet, and everybody was all hyped up for their high quality search and ever increasing number of features and services. And all for free! We all made a deal with the devil. "Don't be evil" should have tipped us off, but hindsight is 50/50.
I hope very much that something profound will happen and topple Google from their monopoly throne. I don't think I'll be using Vivaldi much longer, which is a damn shame because I love that browser, and it feels like the Opera situation all over again. But I don't want to be part of anything Google anymore, which includes Chromium. A Vivaldi rebase to Gecko would make my day.
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@kraligor, Chromium isn't the problem, it's 100% FOSS and because of this, it can be gutted to your like, what the Vivaldi devs do very well on every update. A good example is EDGE, well, it's a privacy nightmare like Chrome, but because of own tracking APIs in the Chromium base, but with zero relations to Google, in Edge remains nothing from Google.
No, the power of Google isn't Chromium, only with its Chrome Store, where it can gain influence with own extensions, or norms which define which extensions can stay in the store, and websites which use it's APIs and services.
Google dominate the web in great part, this is the main problem. Mozilla depend's more on Google than Vivaldi, because it's their main sponsor, apart also other advertising company which has signed a contract with Mozilla some month ago.
As you can see, it's not so easy to avoid Google, simply using another Browser and avoiding Chromium, with king Google that dominates half of the internet and even a large part of FOSS and OpenSource services.
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@kraligor, Chromium isn't the problem, it's 100% FOSS and because of this, it can be gutted to your like.
Chromium is a weapon in Google's arsenal, a 100% FOSS weapon, developed by Google for Google.
And yes, it can be gutted to your like, but only if you have enough money and manpower to check and change several gigabytes of Chromium code for each release. And Vivaldi does not have this power.An example: when, some time ago, Google removed "--disable-features=UserAgentClientHint" command line option what could Vivaldi have done? Nothing!
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You can adjust the UA to your like in the network setting, I think that the Vivaldi devs know very well what needs to be gutted and changed, they are doing it since 2015. It cost time, but because of this, Vivaldi releases are weeks behind the Chrome updates, except in security patches.
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@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
you are not posting facts
I thought it was pretty obvious by how I ended that; by saying that I don't have a link to verify it, and that the future will tell us how it is going to be.
BUT, now I have links, to uBO reddit, which is their official support site (so, members there who operate under the "uBO Team" tag/flair/whatever, are their official representatives).
3 months ago uBO Team user wrote here:
uBO is going to stay on FF and whichever chromium browser keeps MV2 (e.g. Brave).
uBOL is also available on FF for whoever wants a simple, permission-less blocker.
Here the same uBO Team user wrote 2 months ago, pretty clear that Firefox will continue to support v2 uBO, and stated e.g. this: "All browsers have been running v2 and v3 both for years now".
And here another uBO Team user says:
You said that you read in a subreddit that a chromium browser, at least one, will keep M2.
Your exact words "And I recently read a post by somebody working on uBO, or at least related to somehow, on uBO subreddit, that there are some, or one Chromium browser that is going to support v2."
Firefox is not a chromium browser you know and they have total control of Gecko and nobody from uBO develops any browser.
Name it... which chromium browser(s) is going to keep MV2??? -
@Preorian said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
At this point it looks like Firefox is the best option for using the "good-ole" uBO (if the user needs its powerful features that Vivaldi, at least currently, do not offer). And for chromium fans, Brave seems to be an option.
Both: No, NOT. Trusting a commercial company having own "accepatable" ads!? Really?
Firefox adds/injects their own ad/tracking system.
Brave used the same in the past. -
For the past month or so I've disabled uBlock Origin and I must say that I'm impressed with Vivaldi's built in adblocker
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What happens to my installed extensions when Manifest v3 update is implemented, will my installed extensions that only use Manifest v2 update still work?
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@stardepp said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
ill my installed extensions that only use Manifest v2 update still work?
I fear: No. I do not know that Vivaldi devs can create a workaround to support old v2 Manifest. But that is my may be incorrect knowledge.
As i interpret this section and following sentences they try to enhance Vivaldi Blocker itself. -
@DoctorG, which is the only way possible, to improve the inbuild features. Mv2 extensions after June 2025 will not longer work, at least not in by Google controlled sites., nor you'll find v2 extensions in the stores.
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Unfortunately, this will be the end of Vivaldi. I have used it since the first version came out.
However, if uMatrix is no longer working, this will be a red line.
Vivaldi has the chance to protect their users but this statement is clear: Vivaldi supports Google and is no longer developed for their users.I hope, Vivaldi devs will change their mind and remind themselves why they exist.
Otherwise, it will be a goodbye.
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Hi, the developer stops the development of uBlock for Chromium browsers.
This was published in a German PC journal.https://www.heise.de/news/uBlock-Origin-stellt-Chrome-Version-ein-und-empfiehlt-Firefox-9824660.html
Cheers, mib
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@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Name it... which chromium browser(s) is going to keep MV2???
Umm, maybe next time read the whole post before start banging the keyboard in rage?
This forum/topic is just basically an echo chamber. It's a waste of time posting here. I'll unsubscribe and leave you to it. Anyways, it seems pointless to be here because it definitely looks like a change to Firefox needs to be done in a near future. 2nd time forced to leave (Opera & now Vivaldi). Well, nothing lasts forever. So long and thanks for all the fish.
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@Preorian Farewell
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@Preorian said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@electryon said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Name it... which chromium browser(s) is going to keep MV2???
Umm, maybe next time read the whole post before start banging the keyboard in rage?
This forum/topic is just basically an echo chamber. It's a waste of time posting here. I'll unsubscribe and leave you to it. Anyways, it seems pointless to be here because it definitely looks like a change to Firefox needs to be done in a near future. 2nd time forced to leave (Opera & now Vivaldi). Well, nothing lasts forever. So long and thanks for all the fish.
Huh? Nobody has rage against you. I am just asking for a direct reply for something you claimed.
Trying to make it personal means you have nothing to reply and try to make it personal to avoid replying.
Still I will try again... can you name the chromium browser which is going to keep V2? -
Given the way things are going, it doesn't make much sense to keep mentally rambling on about MV3. The dice are already rolled.
It's like time is frozen between June 2024 and June 2025.
1.- Those who use the built-in adblocker are happy and will continue to use it, hoping it will improve.
2.- Those who use uBO are happy and will continue to use it until June 2025. At that time they will decide whether to switch to the adblocker or migrate.
3.- The most "hardcore" have already made their decision and have already migrated.
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Also you claimed that google does some anti-adblock measures with YT now? Not very successful I might add, I have no problems watching ad-free videos from YT.
Not going to be consistent of course because Youtube serves different versions of the page. If I pause a video for a few hours, when I unpause, it very frequently attempts to load an ad instead of continuing the video. Also when I restart the browser and it loads up the tabs. Sometimes ublock stops the ad completely and it's just a 15 second black screen, sometimes I see a static ad with the 5 second "wait to skip the ad" button. They haven't yet managed to deliver video ads but it's way more disruptive than it was 6 months ago.
My main argument to using uBlock instead of Vivaldi's built in is that they have much more public presence of help online, if I want to do something unusual I can generally find someone who's done it with uBO before.
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@Stereog, as said, no ads with the Vivaldi blocker in the YT page and no ads in the videos with the script I use
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@Catweazle said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
@Stereog, as said, no ads with the Vivaldi blocker in the YT page and no ads in the videos with the script I use
If I use the Vivaldi blocker on default settings, I see the ads for a split second every time it tries to play one, which is only a little bit disruptive. But I also use about 20 custom rules to clean up YouTube's interface so I'd need to move to a different css editing plugin as well, not eager to do that.
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Dangit, I was really hoping this wasn't going to be vivaldi's position.
Now I'm going to have to abandon the browser that I love and have been championing to everyone I know for years (vivaldi), and move to firefox. Dammit
I thought configurability and choice were the whole point of vivaldi? Shaking my head
