Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality
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@Preorian
to what should they answer? there's a whole blog post about their intensions -
For me the blog post doesn't say much. "We'll drop v2 support, and we try to make viv blocker better".. that's about it. In this topic the discussion is mostly about uBO and is vivaldi able/WILLING to bring to the table what uBO offers. That's what is the most important thing for people that refuse to use net without uBO (or features that it offers). For us, the game is very clear; if vivaldi can't compete with uBO, it's time to move to firefox, which will support v2 (contrary to what someone is trying to say here). Is vivaldi team able to say something about this? EDIT: If I had to take a guess, I'd say that vivaldi team has already talked about uBO regarding their own blocking feature. They probably already know where vivaldi blocking is going, and thus what it won't do (what uBO features it won't implement). I understand that these are topics they probably aren't willing to talk about.. but, I wish they would.
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@Preorian my prediction is that the v team will offer us as much info about possible
uBOfull-functionality within vivaldi, as they have about nativetst/sideberyfunctionality.
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@ybjrepnfr Are you done marinating in your bitterness? From my point of view itās great nonāusers stay active in the communityāit speaks for its strength. But if your only wish is to keep criticizing the development and team decisions, I do question whether youāre only participating to act out some sort of petty revenge.
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It would be good for you to recognize yourself for what you are: A NĀ° 3 guy.
Asking the team to repeat geniuses like uBO or TST is ridiculous, as it is even more ridiculous to ask them to keep us informed of something that is in process and that they themselves don't know where it is going to go.
We have a year to keep using uBO, so to keep us anxious for a year is also ridiculous.
What would help is that subtansive improvements to the adblocker are appearing.
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What I think the attitude should be in June 2025:
1.- If the power that the adblocker has is enough for me, I will stay.
2.- If the power of the adblocker is not enough for me, and this outweighs the rest of Vivaldi's features, then I will emigrate.
As simple as that.
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@barbudo2005 Iām sorry, but thatās the wrong attitude. Switch to the internal adblocker now, try to get accustomed to it, learn how to manage lists and how to load your own custom lists from the file system. Find issues, point them out, and report them. I switched away from ublock to the internal one almost a year agoāI havenāt gone back since. And IĀ have zero tolerance for adsā¦ Itās not like the adblocker isnāt working, but people neither know how to operate ublock nor the internal one; and it just so happens ublock has more aggressive defaults. And Iām talking about the majority of users here. A sometimes vocal minority uses advanced functionality of ublock and decries the absence of such functionality in the internal one. Thatās valid, but itās not as major as everyone makes it out to be. Not by a long shot.
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@luetage, I think the same, the Vivaldi blocker works 100% for me in all webpages, kicking off even cookie advices and also some paywalls. The only problem is YT where it only skip some video ads and all ads from the page. For some vids with antiƔdblock advice, I use it embedded. A small price comparing to fiddle with Mv3 extensions.
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@Catweazle I have no issues with youtube, might be luck. Got no youtube account and therefore never sign in, which might be the way to go. We can keep up with youtube channels through the feed reader quite adequately, no need to subscribe and only maniacs engage in a youtube comment section.
For cookie consent neither ublock nor the internal adblocker are enough. For quite a number of pesky consent dialogues custom Javascript is needed, only dedicated extensions can do that (e.g. I still donāt care about cookies).
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@luetage I see it basically the same way. YouTube is for occasional curiosity, not for entertainment, and certainly not to "follow" anyone or anything. I, likewise, have no account (and never will).
I realized years ago, advertising is the price we pay for a "free" web. I manage cookies as needed, use the ad and tracking blocker to its maximum effect without denying myself sites I need to see, and otherwise, don't sign up for stuff.
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@luetage said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Iām sorry, but thatās the wrong attitude. Switch to the internal adblocker now, try to get accustomed to it, learn how to manage lists and how to load your own custom lists from the file system.
I already know what the problem is. I'm NOT just using some lists with uBO. There a lot more with uBO than using lists. The viv blocker as it is (and very probably that doesn't change.. still hoping for a miracle) does NOT work for me. I don't have to test it.
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@luetage said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
For quite a number of pesky consent dialogues custom Javascript is needed, only dedicated extensions can do that (e.g. I still donāt care about cookies).
I have met several very pesky consent (& similar) bs that wasn't easy to block even with uBO, for those, some I googled uBO rules that worked, and some I have figured out myself (for example, consents that block clicking links, block scrolling of the page). Never I have had to use custom JS, nor extensions.
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It seems that I did not explain myself clearly enough.
In this respect, Vivaldi users can be divided into two groups. Let's analyze them separately:
1.- Those who use the adblocker:
They are satisfied because the basic goal of not seeing ads is achieved.
Therefore, they are not worried about this MV3 issue. In addition, they do not want or require the team to add more power, because they are not aware of what this increased power is about.
2.- Those who use uBO:
My estimate is that they represent about 5% and no more than 10% of the total Vivaldi users.
For those who are used to that this performance and power, anything less is a great annoyance.
Within this group there are two subgroups:
2.1- Those who have already made the loss, and have already migrated, but have not assimilated it 100%.
And in this small detail as in all things is the devil, they still suffer rage for what someone or something did to them, and they persist in finding it to unload their rage. Let's not be surprised, it's just a manifestation of human nature.
2.2.- Those who will remain until June 2025 using uBO:
To them it makes no sense to ask them to switch today to adblocker. Why would they do it? Why would they throw away the power they still have?
In the same way, for those who know how to use uBO, the use of the adblocker is a piece of cake.
It is specifically for this group that I state what I believe should be the rational attitude they should have in June 2025.
And it is nothing other than what we do every day when we take decisions. Putting things in the balance and weighing the relevance we give to the conflicting points in order to make a determination:
a) The special characteristics that Vivaldi has that made me choose it in the first place and those that have been added and that keep me interested in it.
b) The extra power that uBO has and that I would lose if I keep on using Vivaldi.
This subgroup must take into account that the team manages a figure similar to mine that only between 5 and 10% of the users use uBO.
Therefore, and again in a rational way we cannot pretend that in June 2025 we will have a uBO built-in.
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@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
because they are not aware of what this increased power is about.
Not in all cases. I know what it's about and I don't care. There is a point past which, for me, fixation on non-interruption (no one likes advertising, but it literally pays for the "free" web just as it always did for "free" radio and broadcast TV) privacy and "security" exceeds rationality.
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You are right that there are people who don't care about that greater power.
You are also right that when privacy and "security" exceeds rationality, then we go straight into paranoia.
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@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
In the same way, for those who know how to use uBO, the use of the adblocker is a piece of cake.
Yea, I just tested internal adblocker on Stable version, you just add Ad/Tracker Blocking Sources, just like on mobile version, very simple.
You do the same in uBO after installing it for the 1st time (yes you can import settings too)
UPD: it would be nice to have some separation between Ad/Tracker Blocking Sources, not display all of them in one big list. For example put region-specific filters to "region-specific" category, or at least add a separator.
The core most important Sources should be on top in their own category.
Maybe it would make sense to create new category for internal Adblocker since Vivaldi team (I assume) is planning to add more features into it.
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@barbudo2005 said in Manifest v3 update: Vivaldi is future-proofed with its built-in functionality:
Something like this?
I like the way you thinking
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so sad seeing severe stockholm syndrome shown severally serially seriously.
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@ybjrepnfr Bitter, bitter, bitter. Get over it.
