Solved Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?

alessiobrancolini

Hello everyone!

I have a question.

Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number (before the introduction of the two-factor authentication) or a I did not still gain the reputation (after the introduction of the two-factor authentication)?

A second question. What is exactly meant as "Webmail" in this blog post

https://vivaldi.com/blog/community/two-factor-authentication-for-vivaldi-accounts/#Vivaldi_Webmail_access_is_now_linked_to_a_reputation_system ?

Is enough reputation required only to access the webmail (https://webmail.vivaldi.net)? Or also to access IMAP/POP/SMTP?

Before I generate an app password and try to configure Vivaldi Mail or some other email client, I would like to know if it is going to work or not.

Thank you very much for your answers!

thomasp

@alessiobrancolini @DoctorG this behaviour has now been changed. Mails sent to an account without sufficient reputation for webmail access will now be bounced instead of accepted.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini You have to wait and post and get answers until your reputation allows you to access webmail.

Ayespy

@alessiobrancolini Webmail is webmail. It means that the access to the account is made in a webpage on the web, not through a local client. Vivaldi provides a free webmail service for active community members. That webmail service, obviously, includes an email address (which is made from the user's username in the vivaldi.net community.)

That email address does not become active unless the user is verified through reputation.

The email client built in to Vivaldi is not related to the webmail address that active members get from the community. It is a local client that can be used to collect and send emails using any email account you already have with any other provider. It has no conditions. It is free to use from the moment you download and install Vivaldi.

Obviously, once you get your webmail address from Vivaldi, you can use the local client to receive and send emails using that address as well.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini Welcome in our Vivaldi Community

Some useful links for you:

Do not hesitate to ask, we are a community to help users.

Enjoy browsing with Vivaldi.

alessiobrancolini

Thank you for your answer!

In any case nobody can write an email to that email address until it is verified. I will wait some time then...

alessiobrancolini

I sent an email to my email address @vivaldi.net and I get:

- These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
[email protected]; Relayed

How should this be interpreted?

It seems that the email address is receiving email (but I cannot read it...).

If I send an email to a non-existent Vivaldi account I get:

- These recipients of your message have been processed by the mail server:
another_username_but_non_existe[email protected]; Failed; 5.1.1 (bad destination mailbox address)

I would have expected that my actual email address cannot receive email, if it is not verified.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

I sent an email to my email address

Why? To nag a mail server?

alessiobrancolini

@DoctorG said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

@alessiobrancolini said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

I sent an email to my email address

Why? To nag a mail server?

Suppose I shared my email @vivaldi.net address with someone. Now they could send me emails that I cannot read...

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini I do not know why you share what you are not able to access.

I hope you can read them when you had enough reputation.

Pathduck

@alessiobrancolini Have you actually tried to log in to webmail.vivaldi.net? Does it give an error message, and if so what?

DoctorG

@Pathduck User has reputation 0.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini I can tell, Webmail gives you Access Denied ⇒ Help

alessiobrancolini

@DoctorG said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

@alessiobrancolini I do not know why you share what you are not able to access.

I hope you can read them when you had enough reputation.

Of course, I did not share the email with someone else.

Nevertheless, this is a design flaw (in my humble opinion): an email address can receive emails, but the account owner cannot read it.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

this is a design flaw

If you think so.
But, why should "your" mail address, which you do not own, reject mails? That is useless, too.

alessiobrancolini

@DoctorG said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

@alessiobrancolini said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

this is a design flaw

If you think so.
But, why should "your" mail address, which you do not own, reject mails? That is useless, too.

Because nobody (not even its owner) can read it.

It is a mailbox where everyone can put letters inside, but nobody has the key to open it.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini said in Is my email address @vivaldi.net active, if I did not provide a telephone number or a I did not still gain the reputation?:

Because nobody (not even its owner) can read it.

I do not remember a RFC internet standard which forces server admins to act like you want to have it.
I leave this discussion now.

DoctorG

@alessiobrancolini I sent you test mails just to see what the server responds in my mail client.
//EDIT: I can send you a mail.

I guess received mails to your Vivaldi mail address will stay in your inbox and do not get lost.

//EDIT2:
OK, i notified our mail server team about the issue with mails which can be sent to a not-approved account. They will fix this.

Thanks for reporting here an starting such interesting discussion which lead me to ping the server team.
I gave you some upvotes now. Good for your reputation

thomasp

@alessiobrancolini @DoctorG this behaviour has now been changed. Mails sent to an account without sufficient reputation for webmail access will now be bounced instead of accepted.

DoctorG

@thomasp Nice, works.
Response mail from mail server daemon says now:
"Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual mailbox table (in reply to RCPT TO command)"
As i like to see.

alessiobrancolini

@DoctorG @thomasp Great! The issue is solved.

@Ayespy @Pathduck Thank you for your help as well!