Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3

carlinhosnewstyle

@Ruarí Thank you for clarifying, I am reassured that you have plans for the future. I'll be waiting for apologies for anything, it's just that I was under the impression that the Vivaldi team wasn't seeing the comments about suggestions that people had already made more than 3 years ago. on the forum and until now it has never been done.
Anyway, I'm grateful for your attention.

Ruarí

@carlinhosnewstyle

I am reassured that you have plans for the future.

I didn't actually say that, I said

No plans at the moment but I am not saying never.

We try to do many requests but not all. Its true that it has been requested for a while but not many have mention it since then (4 people total?). The total number of requests is certainly not the only criteria for why we might do something but it is one of them.

AltCode

@Ruarí said in Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3:

EDIT: Ok I read that again. You cannot move it on the tab bar, which is what it seems you want to do but you can place it in the adress bar, status bar or on the panel in any location you like.

Sure would be nice if the tab bar were also a full fledged toolbar

Pesala

The note with a URL to edit my signature lost its URL again on upgrading. This has happened a few times before.

(VB-93355) Disappearing Notes (2/12/2022)

Pathduck

[Settings] Enable ‘Hide Title Bar when Tabs Are Not on Top’ by Default (VB-96133)

As one who loves a minimal browser UI I absolutely love this new feature, and once working properly will save me a whole bunch of custom CSS.

However, not sure if this is intentional or not, but the title bar still shows in a maximised window, if the tabs are on top/bottom AND the tab bar is then hidden in settings. This is inconsistent with how a regular/restored window shows; without a title bar.

Looks like it's this selector in custom.css that's causing it to show:

#browser.tabs-at-edge #header {
    min-height: calc(30px / var(--uiZoomLevel));
}

I guess I'll have to make a bug report unless this is already worked on?

Pesala

@Pathduck There are some serious usability issues with the no title bar:

No Trash Can
Unable to drag window to another monitor

If those issues can be fixed, having no title bar in a restored window would be fine.

Pathduck

@Pesala Yes, there are some issues - as well as the Sync cloud icon will be missing. The trash bin and and cloud icons have always been out of place IMO, and have not been possible to move, so I suspect at some point they will be made into separate regular buttons to be placed where the user chooses.

They would both fit nicely on the status bar I think. The Sync functionality could be integrated into the existing Sync status button. There's no need for two cloud icons.

No Trash Can

Yes, but the keyboard hotkey still works, which is what I'd use anyway

Unable to drag window to another monitor

Yes, they'll need to figure out some elegant solution to this. I'm guessing the centered url bar would help, as there's a lot more free space to drag on the sides now (even though I absolutely hate a centered bar...)

Personally, I always use the browser maximised, so I don't care - and I know about Alt+Space already so I can use that if needed. Besides, Win+Shift+Left/Right does the job much faster

npro

@Pesala said in Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3:

No Trash Can

? Must be a Windows bug because I can see the Trash Can when I place the tab bar to either side, with native window or without. It's always at the bottom, next to the cloud icon.

Unable to drag window to another monitor

Again, that may be true for Windows, because on Linux with KDE (I assume with the other Desktop Environments as well) you can hold a key and grab a window from anywhere (even inside the webpage) and move it around.

Pesala

@npro said in Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3:

Must be a Windows bug

My mistake. The trash can is down at the bottom of the vertical tab bar, which is a long way down on my 1200x1600 portrait monitor.

Alt+Space works well enough. I guess anyone using vertical tabs in a restored window would be accustomed to it.

npro

@Pesala said in Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3:

The trash can is down at the bottom of the vertical tab bar, which is a long way down on my 1200x1600 portrait monitor.

Yep, which is the reason I don't use it and have added an extra menu entry inside the tab bar and webpage (page) menu. Always at my disposal.

npro

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npro

@Pathduck ~~(Shrinking the status bar height) Seems like this isn't working anymore, right?~~

My mistake, for a moment I thought it was about the address bar, which also seems higher.

dawidpajak

Thanks guys! I've been waiting for workspaces in Vivaldi since Opera introduced them You think it may ship in v5.8?

Hadden89

@dawidpajak If it is enabled by default in snapshot, and no major issues appear, it will be on next stable too

npro

@Pathduck said in Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3:

[Settings] Enable ‘Hide Title Bar when Tabs Are Not on Top’ by Default (VB-96133)

As one who loves a minimal browser UI I absolutely love this new feature, and once working properly will save me a whole bunch of custom CSS.

However, not sure if this is intentional or not, but the title bar still shows in a maximised window, if the tabs are on top/bottom AND the tab bar is then hidden in settings. This is inconsistent with how a regular/restored window shows; without a title bar.

Looks like it's this selector in custom.css that's causing it to show:
#browser.tabs-at-edge #header {
    min-height: calc(30px / var(--uiZoomLevel));
}
I guess I'll have to make a bug report unless this is already worked on?

Not only that, but this new Setting should be complemented with hiding the header area as well (otherwise done with

/* hide tab bar*/
#browser:not(.tabs-top) #header {
    display: none;
}

)

to cover the case of a native window with the address bar to the bottom. (otherwise there's an ugly strip below the native window's titlebar).

sjudenim

@Pathduck said in Workspaces – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2970.3:

[Settings] Enable ‘Hide Title Bar when Tabs Are Not on Top’ by Default (VB-96133)

As one who loves a minimal browser UI I absolutely love this new feature, and once working properly will save me a whole bunch of custom CSS.

Same. I'm so glad this is finally here! I've been running mods since the browsers inception (and having to deal with many update breaks) to achieve this.

But,
[BUG] The menu button does not get drawn onto the .mailbar (when using the hide titlebar option)

Looking at the inspector it seems as if .vivaldi (menu button) isn't present anywhere when the .mailbar is active

OakdaleFTL

@Ruarí 2023-03-24 18.26.58 forum.vivaldi.net 542cbf6aebd4.png

ugly

I don't think it's in the changelog, but my pet bug: "(VB-92450) Very long startup time with large history file" seems to be fixed. Vivaldi only seems to take a few seconds to start up again (compared to about a minute in previous versions).

wicketr

@ruarí: Regarding "Session Store", I wish it would always keep a "last state" so that it wasn't a manual process.

If I install a Vivaldi Update or reboot my PC, Vivaldi will restore all the last open browser tabs. But if I manually close Vivaldi, it doesn't restore them and there's no way to get them back unless I manually save the session before closing. It's inconsistent behavior imo.

I like how Firefox has a "Restore Previous Session" that is always up to date.

mnabn

A tribute to Opera, the founder of Workspaces! I guess Vivaldi is a breakaway of Opera's inventive people