Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems

[d4l3d]

@Catweazle And again, I do sincerely appreciate it.

[d4l3d]

@luetage Read more better, lu. Nowhere in my OP did I in any way disparage Vivaldi. Vivaldi reacted in the only realistic way left to them. I referenced OS and spoke only to corporate greed and it's ramifications. The results can be extremely ugly and irreconcilable for some of us. Your comment is therefore redundant. You seem bent on adding to my despondency. I imagine it's easy and entertaining to criticize from your relative privilege. This is strikingly counterproductive. I think your done.
BTW, It's nonsensical to think I would complain about corporate greed over a free browser.
Before you think I'm overreacting, a leaky OS, a leaky browser with projected reduced functionality can be a direct threat to my existence.

[dude99]

@d4l3d Most user here are just try to be helpful, they can't do much other than offer alternative OS as solution to this problem. I'm pretty much on the same boat as you as I'm not able to "upgrade" to a new hardware anytime soon to chase the latest tech train.

So we are going to be left behind for a while until we can afford to buy a new shiny device to keep up with the progress. Until then, a free/cheap solution would be dual boot windows + Linux with current device as suggested by someone in the forum. I have suggested Vivaldi team should do some sort of collaboration with Linux community to help out people like us to adopt/migrate to Linux easier, but alas... that didn't happened. So, we will have to do that by ourselves, or turn to alternative browser that still supporting win7/8.

[Catweazle]

@dude99 , Vivaldi are included as default Browser in Manjaro Linux and FerenOS.
Any current Browser will finish the support of W7 in the near future, also FF and forks, same as the Chromiums.
There isn't any other alternative as to use an outdated browser or changing the OS, actualize to W10 or using Linux in Dual boot. The last the only solution without money.

[d4l3d]

@dude99 I never asked for help nor was there anything in my OP that suggested volunteering. It was a basic lamentation reinforcing all I was seeing here at the time, nothing more.

[dude99]

@d4l3d Hmm... then I afraid you are barking at the wrong tree, you should bark at the Chromium team instead. LOL

IMHO v team aren't being jerk about this & not willing to continue supporting win7/8, they have already mentioned a few times it's a budget/resources problem & they can't afford to continue the massive effort to patch the removed code back into the app on each update, & it will only become more difficult & impossible task as more changes become bloated mess.

I think what important is we can try to move forward with the least amount of pain & loss. No point dwelling on a lost cause, as it can't resolve the problem we are facing.

I just found out about Tiny11, maybe that's a solution worth exploring...

[luetage]

@d4l3d You’re just trying to pick a fight you know you will win because you are highly intelligent:

@d4l3d said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

I virtually never bring this up but I have a 160+ IQ so very few opportunities get past me and little intimidates me.

I mean… practically a genius. Why stomp on us dimwits with heavy weaponry?

[d4l3d]

@luetage Are you aware that you first made an aggressive, accusatory statement that had no relation to what I wrote? There was virtually no reason to respond to the OP except maybe in commiseration. I'm profoundly disabled and this is extremely difficult and painful. Please stop.

[d4l3d]

@dude99 This mostly has nothing to do with my original OP which was a statement only. New installations have already been addressed. I'm profoundly disabled and continuing this is extremely difficult and painful. Please stop.

[LonM]

It's Friday everyone, let's just chill a bit. I'm going to lock this thread for a while.

[uno]

//modedit: post removed. User is reminded to observe the Community Code of Conduct
https://vivaldi.com/privacy/code-of-conduct

[fatal]

@Chas4 Better security with new version? At least not with Windows, where they bloated the code (more code - more ways to potential security bugs and hacks) and added dozens ways to spy on their users.

[OakdaleFTL]

@LonM It's been nearly a fortnight... Is it too soon to continue — from a Mac perspective?

[3o5]

@dude99 said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

Tiny11

For a moment I thought that's a compatibility shim to make stuff requiring Windows 10/11 run on older Windows.

There's a start of something of the sort:
https://github.com/vxiiduu/VxKex

Too bad ReactOS development isn't progressing quickly.

[Chas4]

@fatal It is better security removing some old code and blocking outdated drivers that can be used to install malware or take over a machine (that is what some attacks do), and the TPM requirement adding some hardware security.

IE itself is removed from Windows 11, more of the code is Chromium or Microsoft Store based.

[Catweazle]

Last news, also Steam stop the support of W7 to W8.1 in 2024, the Steam Client will no longer run on those versions of Windows after January 1.

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/4784-4F2B-1321-800A

[3o5]

Firefox intends to stop Win7/8 support on 9/2024:
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support

[opera5]

@3o5
Great, news without a date
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-users-windows-7-8-and-81-moving-extended-support

[Catweazle]

@opera5, it's fine if Mozilla continues to support W7/8.1, but even if this is the case, users will have to be clear that going online with an outdated OS and without official support is a security risk that gradually increases in time. Apart without a date isn't correct, also Mozilla will end the support in September of 2024. There is no other way to update to Windows 10/11, or, if not possible, to switch to Linux, maybe in Dual Boot, using Win7/8 for offline tasks if needed.

Microsoft ended official support for Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 in January of 2023. Unsupported operating systems receive no security updates and have known exploits. With no official support from Microsoft, maintaining Firefox for obsolete operating systems becomes costly for Mozilla and dangerous for users.

Mozilla is providing critical security updates through the Firefox ESR channel up until the end of ESR version 115, September 2024. After this, no security updates are provided and you are strongly encouraged to move to a supported version of Microsoft Windows.