Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems

Zalex108

X86 Will be the next
Probably soon

I manage a 2Gb Ram with W7, since Presto RIP, no one runs as flawlessly, neither Vivaldi since the Cr engine. ://

mib2berlin

@Zalex108
Hi, the next is Windows 10, 2025.
What I not understand often is you can buy a used PC or school PS´s for 20-40 €, why you keep your old hardware as long as possible?

Cheers, mib

Zalex108

@mib2berlin

Yes,
I mean x32 versions will be deprecated.
Some Linux versions already did it.

That 2Gb PC is not used that much to replace it.
20/40€?

And works?

I'll check what's on a shop which sells Companies computers, just for an overall idea, time ago wasn't powerful nor as cheap.

I run with a i5 2k 6Gb, works fine despite I set up everything as a Low End to keep it lightweight.

Zalex108

One of them

https://www.ofertaspc.com/13-portatiles_reacondicionados

mib2berlin

@Zalex108
I buy several of this kind of computers and they are expensive because companies buy "Professional" hardware, they don´t buy at Walmarkt or something. Simply check what such computer cost new, then you see there are not really expensive they are cheap.
It´s getting a bit of topic now but I meant more private to private buying or even Ebay or similar.
A quick check about the Elitebook, it cost 1539 € in 2017.

Cheers, mib

Catweazle

@mib2berlin , yes, MS says 2025, but I don't believe it, in Windows 7 the out also came many years after the announced date. I think that for W10 it will be similar.
In 2025 there will be too many users whose PC or laptop relatively current, which does not support an update to W11 (without cheating), like mine. Turning off the tap in 2025 will cause many users to send them to sweep the desert.

Zalex108

@mib2berlin

Yes,
Elite HP aren't cheap and mostly gives good results but at the same time you may find equivalent for some more.

Despite the original priced, they are mostly priced a many others.

Zalex108

For W7 they kept for companies, after paying a fee.
Despite that,
There's a company which will do the same but "outside" MS.

ibhatt97

Well, I noticed erratic behaviour of Vivaldi Browser on My old desktop PC running on Windows 7 since 2019. That's why I switched to Windows 10, my other PC and that's a laptop, for better reliability.

ingolftopf

@ibhatt97
Maybe you are also interested in looking at Linux.
With 'Q4OS' (Debian) you can install it like a Windows program Linux next to your Windows.
You then have a dualboot system.

If you don't like it, you can delete it like a Windows program without leaving any residue.

3o5

That's unfortunate. I'm on Windows 8(.1) and not planning on updating any time soon.

Besides all the work needed to set up and tweak a new OS, which I really want to avoid in general and doubly so when there's no gain, there's also the problem of the unpleasant GUIs of Windows 10 and 11.

Ayespy

@3o5 I replace the gui with OpenShell. Problem solved.

3o5

@Ayespy

I don't mean just the Start Menu.

Also the windows' chrome, native context menus (and actually, native widgets in general), task bar, file explorer, possibly even the settings areas, though that's mostly less crucial since you don't configure it daily.

Perhaps some can be fixed with third party tools (which also Windows 8 needs partially), but it's becoming a hassle and I'm not sure everything is fixable.

If only OpenShell was a full shell, and also a window manager/compositor.

zeLounge

@neophyte: Totally agree with your assessment.

age is one parameter, what's under the hood is another.
my 10 year old T440p Thinkpad, with the fastest CPU & memory permitable, is still faster than any average new laptop. (ssd included, obviously)

zeLounge

@pesala: Humm,
Let me think... in the last 10 years...
Did I use antivirus on my laptops? Nope.
Did I use windows defender & firewall? Nope.
Did I use automatic windows update? Nope.
Did I got cut? yes, once, because I opened a port on my internet modem & laptop, and forgot to close them. But no sweat, got back to my recent system & data backup.
But yes,

I use a firewall (in manual mode with notifications)
I use an application monitoring app
I use the hosts file (about 14 thousands URL blocked)
I do monthly backup (system & data), sometimes more often.
I choose if & when I do apps updates.

So I quite agree with @user5765, my work environment is organized the way I need it to be. I don't need upgrades that bring more wasted time than benefits. And more useless bloatwares that needs to be cleaned up.
As for most posted arguements, respectfully, they're just the repeated corporation seduction mantra to stimulate their own wallet, not mine.
What you are actually saying is: "not our fault, we're just following orders".
That is your (legitimate) choice, not mine.

zeLounge

@catweazle: Maybe technology has made you more efficient.
Maybe having used the typewriter and slide rule, has made you wiser in unsing technology.

You don't need to look far to see young being dumb down with technology, and unable to use a keyboard with 9 fingers and type a structured letter without spelling mistakes. (I know I still make mistakes in my 2nd language)

Maybe for you, running a new OS, doesn't involve lots of lost time, because your use of it is narrow. For me it's a pain in the but because I do very diversified tasks (video/photo editing, translation, CAD, programming, design...), so for me upgrading is a full day's work, and still many details to finetune.

So the real question is: who's running the show, the technology or you?
You decide. Abdication is also a choice.

zeLounge

@catweazle: Can a light bulb last a hundred years? Yes. Will they make it? NO! But they once did.
So your "assumable end of compatibility"... is quite overstretched.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't go back to a cathodic tube as a graphical display, but there's "improvements" and there's the "illusion of improvement".

luetage

@zeLounge Just keep using the old operating system, if it’s the best option for you. Using an old version of Vivaldi on it should pose no problem for you. I don’t really get this topic.

Zalex108

The question would be,
How long will last an old set up with Chromium til websites force you to upgrade to use their Site/Services.

FF was extended XP support, (maybe they still), but you will need to move to another Browser, maybe not enough for your needs.

I guess in that point everyone will need to choose an option and continue.

Catweazle

@zeLounge , I perfectly understand your point of view and the attachment to the OS you use. A solution for you would be to use a dual boot with Linux, in this way you will have on the one hand an OS where you can use your usual applications and on the other hand a current OS with the latest version of Vivaldi, for safe browsing, which with an outdated OS and browser is not feasible.

The risk of using an outdated OS on the web grows exponentially over time, lacking the necessary security patches needed.

Especially now with the war, where there is also a global computer crossfire where every day tens of thousands of new exploits, spyware and malware appear on the network. This is why there are security updates, to alleviate this risk, those that you do not have in a discontinued OS.