Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems

[Zalex108]

@mib2berlin

Right,
It's removed too.

It can be installed otherwise if I recall.
Actually there are some different versions with different setups.

Any way, before install and pretend to use it as default, the ReadMe has to me read to understand the differences.

https://windowsxlite.com/

On my side I'm without AV since years ago xD

[Catweazle]

@mib2berlin , in my old Windows in the past since XP, I used the Panda AV, very lightweight (~20Mb), fast and very efficient. Receive virus definition in the cloud in real time, not from a database on disk. It was the first AV with this system, with this it don't slow down humble systems.
The free version is enough, currently it has even a VPN, but limited in the free version (150Mb/day).

[mib2berlin]

@Catweazle
Hi, I use Defender for 15 years or so, never got any issues with it but I try Panda for some time now. Installed and running.

Cheers, mib
EDIT: And the first time ever a Vivaldi update is blocked running Panda.

[cieyou]

@user5765:

Very factual and intelligent speech!
The whole truth in a few sentences.
I most definitely sign this statement.

Bardzo rzeczowa i inteligentna wypowiedź!
Cała prawda w kilku zdaniach.
Jak najbardziej podpisuję się pod tą wypowiedzią.

„Wylać dziecko z kąpielą”!

"Throw the baby out with the bathwater"!

          CZŁOWIEK JAKO ISTOTA PSYCHICZNA
             HUMAN AS A PSYCHIC BEING
                        ↓
             Ocena i wartościowanie
              Rating and valuation
  (Any valuation for this symbiosis is pointless).
                        ↓

wola, postawy, nastawienie człowieka wobec świata i życia
the will, attitudes, attitude of man towards the world and life

...ktoś, chcąc usunąć negatywne aspekty jakiejś sytuacji, zastosował zbyt radykalne środki i usunął także pozytywne skutki tej sytuacji.
...someone, wanting to remove the negative aspects of a situation, used too radical measures and removed also the positive effects of this situation.

Czyli tak szeregowy użytkownik Vivaldi został potraktowany przez swoich darczyńców.
So that's how a regular user of Vivaldi was treated by his donors.

Nie wylewa się dziecka z kąpielą!
The baby is not thrown out with the bathwater!

PS

Pesala:
„With Windows, you do not need to install other AV — Windows Defender and Firewall is good enough for most users. However, if you want to keep your PC protected, you need to upgrade”.

Nonsense!
Thoughtless statement.
One contradicts the other.

No offense Pesala!

Bzdury!
Bezmyślna wypowiedź.
Jedno przeczy drugiemu.

Bez urazy Pesala!

[mib2berlin]

Hi, it is very simple:
If you use Windows 7 - 8.1 you cant get support for Vivaldi, Egde, Chrome and other Chromium based browser from version 110 and up anymore.
Maybe Opera from China and others have the resources to maintain further versions supporting for older OS.
We will see.
This meant not Vivaldi does not work anymore, but if one have issues or bugs nobody fix it.
I hope it is possible to backport security issues for some time to the last supported version.

Cheers, mib

[Zalex108]

https://www.neowin.net/news/rufus-alternative-ventoy-adds-bypass-for-windows-11-tpm-requirements-msa-internet/

[MrDB]

@zalex108: I used Opera 12 (my eternal love) for more than 5 years after it's EOL. I expected that problems with sites will become earlier, but Opera really surprised me.
I don't expect it'll be the same this time. But still hope for at least few years.

Already have Ubuntu as second OS that I boot and update few times in a year. It's waiting for it's time when I'll decide that Win7 is become obsolete for my needs. But years passed and Ubuntu is still waiting...

[Hadden89]

@mib2berlin some time ago Panda blocked windows update, so I fear is not good as before.

[Zalex108]

@MrDB

Here is still installed and Opera Mail too.
This time could be worst and last for shorter time.

For the moment I'll make some space and add a dual boot too, don't want to spend too much time learning a new OS but don't discard I install some Mint or something else too at some point.

xD

[dude99]

IMHO Vivaldi should post some sort of tutorial to help win7&8 user to migrate to Linux smoothly, or at least put up a dual boot tutorial for dummies to help less tech savvy user to be able to continue using Vivaldi without breaking their piggy bank - telling someone to buy a new PC/laptop next year to continue access Vivaldi isn't really a positive message.

After all, Vivaldi won't see a dime from Microsoft/Apple/Google when Vivaldi user are force to buy new PC/laptop to "keep up with the progress"...

[DoctorG]

@dude99 said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

Vivaldi should post some sort of tutorial to help win7&8 user to migrate to Linux smoothly

Well, which Linux Desktop shoudl user take? And unfortunately some users have Windows software that never will work on Linux (with WINE).

But… wait…
"Porting" Vivaldi to Linux is easy. Vivaldi Sync is the tool to get Vivaldi profile data from Windows onto Linux.

1. Backup on Windows the Vivaldi profile folder on some USB or other media
2. Sync Vivaldi on Windows
3. Do not forget to note Vivaldi Sync and extra encryption password
4. Wait some minutes to get all synced
5. Later on your Linux start Vivaldi
6. Enable and login to Sync
7. Enter extra encryption password
8. Wait until all is synced

Thats all.

[Zalex108]

@DoctorG said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

But… wait…
"Porting" Vivaldi to Linux is easy. Vivaldi Sync is the tool to get Vivaldi profile data from Windows onto Linux.

Don't forget the Extra Steps

--
"Off Topic Tip"
Follow the Signature's Backup | Reset link.
Take the opportunity to start a Backup plan and even create a Template Profile.

---

Windows 7 (x64)
Vivaldi Backup | Reset + Extra Steps

[DoctorG]

@Zalex108 said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

Don't forget the Extra Steps

I update my previous post.

Perhaps, i will write a article next year in my blog, to tell users how to jump with Vivaldi browser onto Linux Desktop.

[Zalex108]

Not sure that is something Vivaldi should do, maybe would do but seems to much extra work.

Maybe a recompilation of articles/ videos on how to do it.

This would be done by the community and members able and disposed to do it.

There are already many YouTube videos about that, some more wide easy than others more technicals.

That would help or not, depending on the users

[dude99]

@DoctorG said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

Well, which Linux Desktop shoudl user take?

Well, maybe Vivaldi can begin with Manjaro - since it have Vivaldi as default browser already. Then Vivaldi can cooperate with more Linux distro to "adopt" millions of abandoned users by MS as they drop win7/8 support next year. After all, one man's trash is another man's treasure. If MS decided to sacrifice some loyal user in the name of greater profit, then Vivladi & Linux should take advantage of this situation for the greater good. LOL

[Zalex108]

When XP was deprecated, Firefox kept a version working on it.

This may happen again and many users would move to FF.

Let's see the avalanche of users asking why V is showing an Upgrade Banner or why some sites stopped working

[luetage]

@dude99 Vivaldi is default on a few Linux distros. But the majority would never consider it, since it’s not open source. It’s easier to just pack Firefox, most users will install a second or third browser anyway. It’s a bad match from this standpoint.

[dude99]

@luetage said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

It’s a bad match from this standpoint.

I don't think so, consider Fx decided going all woke & falling down harder & harder by the day - eventually someone need to take it's place within the Linux community. So, I think Vivaldi would be a good candidate, V might not be fully open source, but it's probably the best choice among the worst (if you consider all chromium browser are the worst). LOL

Diehard Linux user might think Fx is the last bastion of "goodguy" web browser, but unfortunately Fx is repeating it's predecessor history - stop being innovatively useful to it's user base (after Brendan Eich left), & then going fully woke just make it become irreverent even faster!

[luetage]

@dude99 Going woke… I don’t care about your political analysis.

It’s a browser with its own engine. It’s worth supporting. Without Vivaldi in the picture I’d be using it. I mean I have it installed, but seldom start it up.

[iAN CooG]

@dude99 said in Pulling the plug on expired Operating Systems:

Vivaldi should post some sort of tutorial to help win7&8 user to migrate to Linux

I don't know why you are thinking it should be their task to tell anybody how to install linux, or any other OS, and how to configure it, but know that it's not their task.