Vivaldi 4.0: Vivaldi Translate and betas of Vivaldi Mail, Calendar and Feed Reader are here

pepkin88

@luetage: Currently I have 7 windows, and the mail client attached to the 4th one. After a restart, it attached to the 7th one. After another, to the 1st one. I don't see a pattern, looks pretty random to me.
Thanks for your suggestion, but it is not a good solution for me. I already know, that I can move other cards around. Every window of mine and cards in it has its own theme. Ideally I could use the mail and RSS client on any window, just like I could on Opera 12.

Sadly, I'm afraid I'd have to wait until this issue gets resolved. This limitation seems to be only for the mail and RSS, not for calendar or any other type of a card.
With the feature working like this, I find my Opera Mail more reliable and useful. It opens links in my most recently focused Vivaldi window (so I have a control over it) and it sits in place on my taskbar, I know exactly where to find it, and doesn't jump around every restart.

luetage

@pepkin88 Hmm, I haven’t read about the intent to make this work in all windows, it’s this way on purpose. But you could write a feature request for attaching it to a different window.

Veto88

Hello, can you (on Android):

add sorting of bookmarks by date ascending and descending? in my old "Boat Browser" when I added a bookmark then it was placed at the top of the list, its avoids scrolling to find a recent bookmark
add another grid for Speed Dials: less padding = larger favicons and more text
put the "refresh" and "add in bookmarks" buttons directly next to the URL = it avoids going through the menu and clicking x2
add an import / export option for bookmarks via html and cvs file
make it possible to choose the download folder

(Sorry for my English)

pepkin88

Since it is Beta for the mail client, I tested it and found some issues:

I tried importing mail from Opera Mail, using tips from that thread https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/58193/importing-from-m2/12 . I managed to start the import process, it showed me 1 hour remaining, but after importing 10650 emails it stopped and never resumed. I had to delete those imported accounts. Also, the information about seen (not read) emails was not imported.
This time I tried simply adding a new profile, connecting it to Gmail with OAuth. It worked. But some email threads are split, sometimes in many places. Most of the time my own replies were causing the splitting, but not always. In Opera Mail they were correctly seen as continuous threads, same in Gmail. I checked the Message-ID and In-Reply-To headers, they seemed fine, the emails should be connected, but they are not.

Apart from that, I also noticed that the Edit feature is buggy on this site. It puts the message into a textarea, but only up until the first occurrence of a double new-line (like this empty line above).

pepkin88

@pepkin88: More thoughts:

I can't see an option, to show emails without the theme styling, I only saw one for the email editor. I use a dark theme, but some emails are badly displayed because of it, most people assume a white background when composing an email.
I can't find an option to allow external images from every sender by default. I had this on Opera Mail and would like to use it here as well.
The email panel provides poor UX when it is floating. Consider changing its floatiness over the mail tab or integrating the panel into the mail tab.
Mail tabs should respect user's tab stack settings. I clicked Reply and it created a new tab stack, instead of using the current, like other tabs do.

Seasonly

While the mail manager is quite interesting, I am a bit disappointed with the Rss Feeder which is still attached to its mail origins. I think that the usefulness of a Rss Feeder is missing a lot with this fast and a bit outdated, boring, monotonous, heavy, boring solution, absolutely not really adapted to a modern, daily, fast use as we could expect from Vivaldi. Today this technical solution should be understood as a solution to manage information flows: please have a look to this suggestion for a more detailed explanation: A generalized and more user-centered feed; data streams monitoring (mail, html differences, rss feed)

kingu

License?

Eggcorn

@kingu What?

kingu

@eggcorn
Wondering what the license for the new apps is.

Eggcorn

@kingu What new apps? The e-mail client and calendar and all?

jumpsq

@pepkin88

I can't see an option, to show emails without the theme styling, I only saw one for the email editor. I use a dark theme, but some emails are badly displayed because of it, most people assume a white background when composing an email.

Agreed. Should be on the list I'd hope. See also VB-80256 and
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/61837/dark-theme-and-emails/3?_=1623529244616

Ayespy

@kingu They are not apps, actually, but browser features. They are built into the browser, are part of the browser, and as such fall under the licensing of the browser.

Eggcorn

@ayespy Strictly speaking, the e-mail client is not part of the browser. Browsers view webpages, e-mail clients view e-mails. So, the browser and the e-mail client (along with the RSS reader and calendar) are parts of Vivaldi, which is now an internet suite and not just a browser.

But your point stands. It's all part of Vivaldi, and all under that Vivaldi license.

Regnas

@juanvase Ah, thanks for the info. ..
And voted ofc.. We really need that.

ruhadirlik

3 tips on translation.

1- As in Chrome, a translation option can be placed in the middle of the page with the right mouse button.

2- "Turn the page" feature can be brought to the keyboard.

3-Translation can be strengthened like google translate. at least the error can be reduced. It gives a lot of errors, it's been 4 days.

Ayespy

@eggcorn To clarify, M3 uses the Vivaldi engine to view its emails. This is not a separate function.

How it accesses the data is regulated by the fact that it is email. How it produces the readable email that you view is entirely dependent on the engine, as already patched and modified by Vivaldi, not some separate mechanism. Your email you are reading is a tab in Vivaldi as other tabs are tabs.

Neoperan

Neoperan is back (actually I never really left)
Congratulations on this release.
Translate and Mail are great.

code3

@jon It feels a little misleading to call m3 a meaningful alternative to big tech, as some users might not get that reading gmail in M3 does nothing to hide emails from google (compared to reading on gmail.com)

Of course, things like PGP and content blocking improve privacy (but PGP isn’t here yet).

jon

@code3 said in Vivaldi 4.0: Vivaldi Translate and betas of Vivaldi Mail, Calendar and Feed Reader are here:

@jon It feels a little misleading to call m3 a meaningful alternative to big tech, as some users might not get that reading gmail in M3 does nothing to hide emails from google (compared to reading on gmail.com)

Of course, things like PGP and content blocking improve privacy (but PGP isn’t here yet).

@code3 , Vivaldi Mail allows you to combine multiple mail accounts. Thus it is a great way to gradually move away from Google. Maybe the first step is to read your GMail through Vivaldi Mail. The next step could be to set up a mail account with another mail provider and gradually move your mail over there. There is no cost from having more than one account, so you can keep your old GMail account for as long as you want, but reply to all messages with your new account and write new messages from your new account, without having to deal with the hassle of logging into two mail accounts.

Another thing. If you use normal login into Google and not the Google login, then logging into your mail does not log into Google. The single signon is a way for Google to be able to easily recognize you across properties and pages. If you move your mail and calendar to other service providers and read them through Vivaldi, your footprint in Google world reduces.

pepkin88

@pepkin88: Also noticed, that there are no days separators (today, yesterday, last week, earlier this month) like it was on Opera Mail