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No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.
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@juanvase , at least, they shut down Yahoo Answers, best humoristic troll page ever.
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Well, it didn't take long - Google denies profile login with Vivaldi. Prompts me to use a 'secure' browser
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@Kocho , do you have cryptographic tokens activated in the Privacy settings? What you describe only happens when this is not the case (or with a outdated Vivaldi version)
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Gwen-Dragon , not directly, but also with things from Google imposed by them.
>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@Catweazle said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:
not directly, but also with things from Google imposed by them.
Crypto Token is a bunch of general functionality that is required for some cryptographically secured MFA procedures. This isn't limited to Google's services so disabling it can break other sites as well. I haven't found such a site yet (maybe Google enforces a stronger policy for MFA than most?) but I'd expect it to play a role in e.g. authentication using physical U2F keys.
So I'm not sure "things from Google imposed by them" is entirely accurate.
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@Komposten , it's a Google script
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/master/chrome/browser/resources/cryptotoken/manifest.json
Mozilla has another one>Laptop ACER, AMD Ryzen, GPU AMD Radeon RAM 16GB, SSD 512GB -Win11 Home 64 v24H2| Vivaldi last stable|
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@catweazle: You're right. I had them disabled long time ago. I have reenabled crypto tokens and then logged in no problems.
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@gwen-dragon: I was not sure even the first time I wrote as I am no expert at all, but for all these years I have seen things
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@Catweazle said in No, Google! Vivaldi users will not get FloC’ed.:
@Komposten , it's a Google script
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/master/chrome/browser/resources/cryptotoken/manifest.json
Mozilla has another oneYes, Crypto Token is written by Google, but so is almost all of Chromium. And yes Mozilla has another implementation of it.
The point I was trying to make is that Crypto Token isn't an evil invention by Google to force the world to bend to their will (i.e. "enable our malevolent Crypto Token extension or you can't use any of our services!"). Chromium has it, Firefox has an equivalent, and so do most likely all other browsers as well. It's functionality that is necessary for certain things to work, and it just happens that Google bundled that functionality as an extension rather than building it into the Chromium core itself.
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@Komposten , I would not be so sure, it is a very common mistake to think that OpenSource is automatically more private or more secure, The best example is Chromium itself, which is not exactly very careful with privacy and not with security, if it is used as is.
If you look at Google's Crypto Token code, even if you don't have much programming idea, you will see some entries that refer to Google itself or are unidentifiable codes that can be anything, which makes me suspect that this is probably protecting you against harmful sites, but not from Google's telemetries itself. -
@stargazera5, regarding your quote from the Book of Revelation,
I don't want to freak anyone out (though we should, at least, be upset about it), but in the typical UPC barcode, it is well known that the bar thickness, or absence of a bar, etc., signifies a number 0-9, right? But if you look at the left-most, the center, and right-most bars, those 3 longer ones are the number 6! So, technically, 666 is already in millions of barcodes seen every day. Yes, I am a Christian, but I usually dismiss all but the most glaringly obvious conspiracies because if you look hard enough, you can make just about anything eventually say or look the way you want it to.
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@michaelthegamer , 666=DCLXVI=Domitius (or Domitianus) Caesar Legatos Xti Violenter Interfecit=Domicio (or Domitian) Caesar vilely killed the envoys of Christ.
Domicio is the name of the emperator Nero
The Apocalypse is a letter from the years of the Roman occupation with Christian persecution, nothing to do with the devil or end of the world. -
@deep1dive Amusing. And to be clear, I'm referring to the drawing deep1dive posted.
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Seeing as we are in off-topic mode, and to add more detail to the comment above.
In 2005, a fragment of papyrus 115 was revealed, containing the earliest known version of that part of the Book of Revelation discussing the Number of the Beast. It gave the number as 616, suggesting that this may have been the original. One possible explanation for the two different numbers is that they reflect two different spellings of Emperor Nero/Neron's name, for which (according to this theory) this number is believed to be a code.
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@dr-flay , yes, 616 also accepted, but both are refered to Roman occupation, same the whole Apocalypse. Its a letter, nowadays we would say, of protest for the internal information of the resistance, written in metaphoras referring to the Romans and Nero, for obvious reasons, where rebellious Christians quickly left as food for the lions or crucified.
Nothing to do with divine revelations, devils, end of the World, or the like.
Knowing this, the Apocalypse is very well understood and there is nothing mysterious or hidden about it.
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@guigirl , they live
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@guigirl I should use Chrome?
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@gwen-dragon Thanks, some people say their devtools are awesome, I’ll consider it
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@guigirl I wanted to change to Windows 10 anyway. Fedora is the distribution for wannabe losers. Maybe Floc will work better too. I’ll let you know and write something up to make your own transition easier.
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Also uBO is worried about FloC:
https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/releases/tag/1.35.0
"Chromium-based browsers
Google's FLoC is defused by default. Websites will be able to use the FLoC API (only if already present), but will be unable to get a result from it -- uBO causes the API to always fail as if there was no FLoC data available.
If your Chromium-based browser supports the FLoC API, this is the result you should get with uBO when testing with EFF's "Am I FLoCed?" (assuming you did not disable uBO's "uBlock filters -- Privacy" list):
Additionally, uBO causes all websites to opt-out of being part of FLoC calculation by injecting the appropriate response header.
You can opt-in to FLoC by creating the appropriate exception filter, see commit message for details."
