More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7
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@LonM said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:
@npro The blogs on vivaldi.net already do have their own commenting system.
I'm not sure why it is turned off for vivaldi.com's blogs, and why that runs a separate connection to the forum. I always found that a bit strange and I never understood the rationale.
I don't think it is wise to turn of comments for the whole vivaldi.com blog as blogs like information/news/tips/full releases do benefit from people being able to discuss them.
So you are saying the same. You need to have a vivaldi.net account to comment there, so what's the difference doing that exclusively in the forums. It's exposure as already explained.
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@LonM said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:
I don't think it is wise to turn of comments for the whole vivaldi.com blog as blogs like information/news/tips/full releases do benefit from people being able to discuss them.
Then, there must be a separate comments section/system for the blog, not linked to the forum.
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@gwen-dragon: There is a need for a new snapshot - period. This snapshot's problems have robbed me the fun of browsing.
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@npro So, why discuss this in the comments section, why not make a new topic for it? You’re preaching one thing and doing the exact opposite.
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@luetage That's true, but the issue has been raised here and, paradoxically, the discussion continues here.
On the other hand, one has to scroll far deep down the blog's comments to see those posts…
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@luetage This thread is one of a kind, that's why.
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@npro That’s correct, the same people who post off‐topic then continue to discuss whether it’s sensible to go off‐topic. In my opinion posting more casual is a‐ok, after all this is a browser for our friends, not an anonymous crowd. Furthermore I’d be willing to bet the team wants a lively blog section, that’s also the reason why rarely anything gets removed. And again, I believe that’s just the right way to handle things. What goes too far is discussing any and all moderation issues, such as this. Take it to forum feedback, or contact a community manager directly.
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@luetage said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:
Take it to forum feedback, or contact a community manager directly.
Or keep it here coz we wanna show them we’re really bored without our new snapshot
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Actually, there's a workaround: Go OT wherever you want, bar in Announcements' threads, cause posts will show up in the blog's comments. Simple as that, though boring.
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@luetage said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:
@npro Take it to forum feedback, or contact a community manager directly.
After 20 days without a snapshot update, which doesn't concern me at all as a) I primarily use Stable for the reasons contained in the following link so I don't really care bitching about a lack of an update -and I don't- b) I was the one to explain the differences between Snapshot and Stable in the post above https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/415226 this thread has become -with the allowance of mods- the community's gathering place, where OT posts are being laughed and people have a good time (or at least that's what I see), yet you come here as the uber-mod to teach moderation, while being OT too. As I said in my post above, if you take a look into my post and @Steffie's post you will see the difference in english skills, except you are not willing to see (both), that's OK. In this case you are free to report all of my post as off-topic to the moderators.
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@npro I seem to be the mirror you see yourself in.
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Mirror mirror in my hand, who is the fairest in the land?
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Three weeks without a desktop snapshot update. Seems a little unfair since in thr same time there have been three snapshots for mobile.
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@MoraineD And few stable minor updates. (But the bugs on mobile were pretty concerning)
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Every time I see Ruarí’s face today I’m thinking ohh, finally? just to look at 20 days ago.
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@luetage I agree with @hlehyaric, the issue has been raised here and it's kind of natural that the discussion continues here. As a moderator, I sometimes feel the urge to "clean up" threads by moving the off-topic comments somewhere else - we even get reports from users asking us to do that from time to time. But in times like this, (and after reading all of your arguments here), I'm keen on leaving it as it is and allowing these type of off-topic discussion.
After all, these blog posts are regularly replaced by new ones and at some point each one of them becomes history. It's not like people are going to look for some important stuff in a specific version of a snapshot from 3 years ago and get annoyed that there were some giggling off-topic comments under the blog post from the day of its release...
Of course, we want to keep balance and split threads whenever necessary. But this time I think it's okay to leave it as it is. I actually enjoyed reading this discussion, it feels more like a Vivaldi family here and less like a Vivaldi corp. and I think it's great.
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Actually, there's a workaround: Go OT wherever you want, bar in Announcements' threads, cause posts will show up in the blog's comments. Simple as that, though boring.
Exactly, yes - i thought of that too yesterday, but i slapped myself down before posting it, coz it feels so grossly unnatural, euw!. But, yeah, if we can't achieve what IMO is the better outcome of the blog comments being 100% separate from the forum comments, then this workaround would achieve our objective... albeit at the expense of us all needing to exercise rigorous self-control.
We're screwed.
@pafflick said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:
it feels more like a Vivaldi family here and less like a Vivaldi corp. and I think it's great
How lovely to hear you again, it seems like a long time between drinks these days. Nicely said IMO. Though there are some in this forum community who seem allergic to joy, in the main i think a community is only a community as long as good spirits are allowed to flourish, & that means that as utterly critical & non-negotiable as the tech components are [duh], camaraderie, bonhomie, & banter also enrich the community. It would be a crying shame if the Vivaldi Forum ever became a browser-analogue of the ArchLinux Forum!
That said, for the little it's worth, i also feel equally strongly that the diverse richness of community spirit i espoused above, is the exclusive "right" of that community, not the general public. We collectively [many since the very beginning] provide a lot of value-adding to the Vivaldi browser enterprise with our continuous testing & feedback, which i would like to believe is of direct assistance to the Devs in their ongoing brilliant work. Maybe i'm delusional, but it seems fair to me that in return for our contributions, we get to enjoy a pleasant & fun, as well as technically-oriented, forum environment. The general public blog-readers should not see that, until they elect to either visit the forum-space as Guests, or ideally formally join the community & hopefully then begin contributing to the holistic goodness.
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@Steffie Let's be honest: nothing will be done.
See the bright side: the blog comments are sort of a vitrine for the forum, the former promotes the latter as a serious and helpful yet enjoyable and joyful place. (That's the bright side??
)It would be a crying shame if the Vivaldi Forum ever became a browser-analogue of the ArchLinux Forum!
Or the current Opera forum…
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@hlehyaric If you were ever nailed to a cross anywhere, i know what you'd be whistling.
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@Steffie Crucifixion? Good!
Btw, it seems you desperately want me to be crucified:
Probably will just get away with a light crucifixion then.
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