More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7

Steffie

Given i was not able to update my Snapshot today after all to chromium 87 , in my sulking i decided to instead update my Chromium to 87 . Then i explored its Flags for anything of interest. I found these [i am not saying that all of these came only with 87, in fact i know for certain some didn't. I've highlighted those that interested me that i'd not noticed before].

Tab Groups Auto Create
Automatically creates groups for users, if tab groups are enabled. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#tab-groups-auto-create

Tab Groups Collapse Freezing
Experimental tab freezing upon collapsing a tab group. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#tab-groups-collapse-freezing

Enable 'New' badge on menu items
When enabled, allows 'New' badge to help users identify menu items which access new functionality. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#enable-new-badge-on-menu-items

Enable user data snapshots
Enables taking snapshots of the user data directory after a Chrome update and restoring them after a version rollback. – Mac, Windows, Linux
#enable-user-data-snapshot

Edit passwords in settings
Enables password editing in settings. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS, Android
#edit-passwords-in-settings

In conjunction with these slightly older ones:

Tab Groups
Allows users to organize tabs into visually distinct groups, e.g. to separate tabs associated with different tasks. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#tab-groups

Tab Groups Collapse
Allows a tab group to be collapsible and expandable, if tab groups are enabled. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#tab-groups-collapse

Tab Hover Cards
Enables a popup containing tab information to be visible when hovering over a tab. This will replace tooltips for tabs. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#tab-hover-cards

Tab Hover Card Images
Shows a preview image in tab hover cards, if tab hover cards are enabled. – Mac, Windows, Linux, Chrome OS
#tab-hover-card-images

...it now means that Chromium's native Tabs Management has become quite impressive. Some of us [in an older thread that today i entirely failed to locate, & in which almost certainly i should have posted this post] noted that it was too laborious to create tab groups manually with their earlier subset of Tabs flags. However with the ones i've newly found today [notably #tab-groups-auto-create which works elegantly, automatically, as described] Chromium feels every bit as competent as Vivaldi when its auto tab-stacking is enabled.

For me as a tab "Verticaller" [& limiting my comment solely to tab management, not the entire browser holistically], Chromium remains unattractive compared to Vivaldi. However if/when Chromium eventually also provides a good vertical tabs option, & if Vivaldi's sought-after tabs management improvements still have not materialised by then, IMO Chromium would be a real threat.

Hadden89

@Steffie This could only means the chrome developers also lurk these forum and some of them also use vivaldi
But they also like betray users dropping gold standards as vertical tabs due "low usage" (seriously, why?)

npro

@Steffie said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

@npro said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

Btw, I never understood why all those beautiful comments we make have to be displayed on the original blog place, outside the forum's (artificial sense) of intimacy, is kinda embarrassing

I have been kinda sweating about this ever since you posted it. Whilst i technically "knew" this was the case, most of the time, with our day-to-day posts & banter i tend to completely forget it. Your reminder thus came as a bit of a shock. On other technical fora i use, you need to explicitly access the forum itself in order then to be able to read the correspondence, which i like coz it delivers participants a sense of "sheltered community".

Given our comparatively extended wait for this next Snapshot [historically i believe other times we've had rather longer delays than this, but this time seems acute given the sheer annoyance of the tabs-management bug], we've all clearly become bored waiting & succumbed to cabin-fever. IMO that's fine & ok... but realising now that ALL of our silliness herein is "public", is a bit sobering.

If it were technically possible, i'd prefer that the "public" facing blog announcement threads only captured & showed comments arising from that same domain, NOT also those from within the forum itself.

@hlehyaric said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

@Steffie BTW, I took a look at the blog post, cause I completely overlooked that. Not that it really matters, however it sounds like a little intrusive that our private conversations here (giggles) are public there for anyone to see.

The comments in the blog need to be "disonnected" from the forums, and if it is not possible, the blog should not have comments at all. What is being said in the blog is just an announcement, for the press and outsiders, if you want to comment then use the forums, that's how it should be. It would be nice to hear what @Gaëlle thinks of that, and if not someone with obvious better english skills than me to make a request thread in the forum feedback with summarizing all the above concerns.

LonM

@npro The blogs on vivaldi.net already do have their own commenting system.

I'm not sure why it is turned off for vivaldi.com's blogs, and why that runs a separate connection to the forum. I always found that a bit strange and I never understood the rationale.

I don't think it is wise to turn of comments for the whole vivaldi.com blog as blogs like information/news/tips/full releases do benefit from people being able to discuss them.

If you want to chit-chat privately, you can always do that in the Chit-Chat subforum or in a direct message

hlehyaric

@npro Exactly! I totally agree with you and you said very well what I also think.

npro

@LonM said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

@npro The blogs on vivaldi.net already do have their own commenting system.

I'm not sure why it is turned off for vivaldi.com's blogs, and why that runs a separate connection to the forum. I always found that a bit strange and I never understood the rationale.

I don't think it is wise to turn of comments for the whole vivaldi.com blog as blogs like information/news/tips/full releases do benefit from people being able to discuss them.

So you are saying the same. You need to have a vivaldi.net account to comment there, so what's the difference doing that exclusively in the forums. It's exposure as already explained.

hlehyaric

@LonM said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

I don't think it is wise to turn of comments for the whole vivaldi.com blog as blogs like information/news/tips/full releases do benefit from people being able to discuss them.

Then, there must be a separate comments section/system for the blog, not linked to the forum.

nutcracker

@gwen-dragon: There is a need for a new snapshot - period. This snapshot's problems have robbed me the fun of browsing.

luetage

@npro So, why discuss this in the comments section, why not make a new topic for it? You’re preaching one thing and doing the exact opposite.

hlehyaric

@luetage That's true, but the issue has been raised here and, paradoxically, the discussion continues here.
On the other hand, one has to scroll far deep down the blog's comments to see those posts…

npro

@luetage This thread is one of a kind, that's why.

luetage

@npro That’s correct, the same people who post off‐topic then continue to discuss whether it’s sensible to go off‐topic. In my opinion posting more casual is a‐ok, after all this is a browser for our friends, not an anonymous crowd. Furthermore I’d be willing to bet the team wants a lively blog section, that’s also the reason why rarely anything gets removed. And again, I believe that’s just the right way to handle things. What goes too far is discussing any and all moderation issues, such as this. Take it to forum feedback, or contact a community manager directly.

A Former User

@luetage said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

Take it to forum feedback, or contact a community manager directly.

Or keep it here coz we wanna show them we’re really bored without our new snapshot

hlehyaric

Actually, there's a workaround: Go OT wherever you want, bar in Announcements' threads, cause posts will show up in the blog's comments. Simple as that, though boring.

npro

@luetage said in More fixes and another minor Chromium bump – Vivaldi Browser snapshot 2088.7:

@npro Take it to forum feedback, or contact a community manager directly.

After 20 days without a snapshot update, which doesn't concern me at all as a) I primarily use Stable for the reasons contained in the following link so I don't really care bitching about a lack of an update -and I don't- b) I was the one to explain the differences between Snapshot and Stable in the post above https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/415226 this thread has become -with the allowance of mods- the community's gathering place, where OT posts are being laughed and people have a good time (or at least that's what I see), yet you come here as the uber-mod to teach moderation, while being OT too. As I said in my post above, if you take a look into my post and @Steffie's post you will see the difference in english skills, except you are not willing to see (both), that's OK. In this case you are free to report all of my post as off-topic to the moderators.

luetage

@npro I seem to be the mirror you see yourself in.

hlehyaric

Mirror mirror in my hand, who is the fairest in the land?

MoraineD

Three weeks without a desktop snapshot update. Seems a little unfair since in thr same time there have been three snapshots for mobile.

Hadden89

@MoraineD And few stable minor updates. (But the bugs on mobile were pretty concerning)

A Former User

Every time I see Ruarí’s face today I’m thinking ohh, finally? just to look at 20 days ago.