Good riddance, Internet Explorer!
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@phyddeaux Hi - you don't need to accept 3rd-party to login to the forum. I don't and it works fine.
You DO need to accept 3rd-party from
vivaldi.net
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@Nekomajin …or acquired the fitting company. Almost everything worthwhile gets bought out all the time by some internet giant and then we all pretend they invented it : /
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@pathduck: Thanks for the fast response. I've allowed vivaldi.com to allow 3rd party cookies (which would include vivaldi.net). Checked and working. Thanks again.
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@pathduck: I've just realised that this article is available at 2 different domains.
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/49885/good-riddance-internet-explorer/101?_=1655486305611
and
https://vivaldi.com/blog/good-riddance-internet-explorer/
via https://vivaldi.com/blog/feed/
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@luetage
That's true. But these companies alone could not make a difference, because they only developed a small portion of the complete web technology we use today.I don't want to blindly glorify Google, because they have many flaws, but we can't deny, that they jump started the web platform.
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@Nekomajin Well, I’m not a passenger of the »Google is pure evil« bandwagon. Microsoft is far worse, yet everybody and their uncle is using Windows and complaining about some random Google service…
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Jon, I really miss the old Opera, seriously. I started using it on Win 98SE in England and later on XP and Linux in South Korea; greatly missed, but greatly appreciated. Thank you for all your efforts.
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@Ayespy For those not in the know, what I mean by "Goolag" is that search engine company that develops a rival web browser.
I always complained about this and I'll never not be bothered by this. I don't see any coherent in pointing the hard that IE did in the past when Vivaldi is helping Goolag do the same.
When Opera Classic died and modern Opera was born my biggest complaining was for the exact same reason. From day zero I argued that Vivaldi should had joined forced with Mozilla Foundation to help develop Firefox engine and use it as a base and use their combined force to push for more control and pro-user development of the web standards.@Nekomajin said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
Sure, Google needed the technology to gain more users, to collect more data, to make more money, but doing so, they developed a lot of awesome stuff, which brought us the platform independet world. Not just it does not matter which browser you use, you can do the same work, get the same entertainment on every operating system.
I don't think the current state of the web is ideal, but it's not black and white. Google is not just pure evil.
Did you forgot how Goolag took a chapter of Intel's book with their own "GenuineIntel"? When their services detected a user not using their own browser, even if that version of the browser that the user was using worked perfectly fine they would block features, give an older and intentionally slower version or just refuse to load it.
Now people that was hurt by their deceitful and anti-competitive practices are giving their praise for what they did.
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@Panino said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
I don't see any coherent in pointing the hard that IE did in the past when Vivaldi is helping Goolag do the same. [...] Vivaldi should had joined forced with Mozilla Foundation to help develop Firefox engine [...]
There were reasons Vivaldi was based on Chromium rather than Firefox, helping Google gain a monopoly was not one of those reasons! That was a foreseen but unintended side-effect.
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@Eggcorn Not so much unintended, but undesired.
At the time of the decision being made, Moz was in a nosedive of popular usage and was in the middle of several changes which pretty much everyone hated, because they all inhibited user control (gutting UI and extensions, etc.) They had been bleeding users since 2009 and continue to do so. Their architecture is increasingly user-control-unfriendly. At the current pace of user loss, developers will soon stop testing in Gecko.
The deal with the "devil" of Blink was reluctantly adopted as the least bad of all-bad choices.
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Eh, as annoying and outdated as Internet Explorer was, it is and will be important to many businesses.
And we really shouldn't be cheering another browser engine going out. You Jon, should know that more than almost anyone.
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@luetage They are both pretty bad, but Google, sorry, Alphabet, are far worse.
The fact that their core business model centres around selling your data alone says that well enough.
At least Microsoft have many sources of revenue and profit that are more transparent and less abusive. They sell you, say, an OS, or an office suite, or server usage. The telemetry has some good intentions, but ultimately most of their stuff works if you turn it all off.
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@Tams80 , the lack of Windows, more than the privacy, is when you buy a new Windows PC, you find, apart from the OS, trials, demos, not needed services and other 'improve user experience' crap, which take up half the RAM when loaded at startup. This makes it necessary to carry out a general cleaning before using it.
It requires regular maintenance, to counteract that Windows has the tendency to gradually become slower over time, although at least part of this effect has already been improved with v.10 and 11, having a function to automatically clean junk files that accumulate on a regular basis, which in previous versions had to be done by hand. -
@Panino
I did not forget it, but I talked about how they developed the technology, not how they used it. Obviously, browser sniffing is a bad thing. -
For anyone who missed it, a South Korean software engineer spent the equivalent of $300 to have a gravestone made for IE.
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@Tams80 said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
[W]e really shouldn't be cheering another browser engine going out.
That ship has already sailed. Microsoft's already abandoned their own browser engine in favor of Blink (Chrome's engine). The version of the MS engine in IE only exists for backwards compatibility, it's not getting updated to account for new web standards.
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So what actually happened on 15th with IE?
It still exist and works. It hasn't been updated in ages anyway.
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@solidsnake said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
So what actually happened on 15th with IE?
No security updates. Risky enuff.
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@DoctorG said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
@solidsnake said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
So what actually happened on 15th with IE?
No security updates. Risky enuff.
I thought it was not updated in years, both security and feature-wise.
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@DoctorG said in Good riddance, Internet Explorer!:
No security updates [on Internet Explorer as of June 15]. Risky enuff.
What about Edge's IE mode?