Vivaldi M3 - mail client, when?

schreck

@J.M.Mierscheid:

I've never understood why it's so importand to so many user to have an e-mail client integrated into their browser.

and you really dont have to.

J.M.Mierscheid

@schreck:

and you really dont have to.

Was interessiert mich deine Meinung?

Topha

Although I, too, will be very happy when the mail client finally arrives it is probably a mercy of the dev team to wait this long.

Updating the Snapshot on an almost weekly basis would probably get a lot more complicated with an integrated mail client

PS: I don't understand why so many people are not using a mail client at all but prefer logging into their web mail all the time And don't blame the users for going "when when when", blame the Vivaldi team for announcing the mail client on the very release day of TP1

zhnujm

@GinoPerla:

They also announced the Sync, no one is asking about the Sync that much.
The Vivaldi team just said there will be an integrated Email client,
How would you blame them for saying so?

Well, theres a mail panel sice the beginning wich says "Comig soon" wich may lead some people to think that a mail client is coming soon…..

zhnujm

I dont think its about lying or something its just what most people expect about "soon",
Maybe a "Coming later" would reduce the expectations a bit.
Simple change.

Ayespy

I disagree that it will be released in the Beta. A new feature of such magnitude would not make its first appearance in a Beta, but rather in a developer Snapshot so that it can get some broad public testing prior to Beta release. This means it will be released BEFORE the Beta, in at least a couple of Snapshots, or will be released after some public testing and debugging, in the second Beta.

schreck

im in for testing the mail client if in need.

Ayespy

Me, too. I'd even love to test it if it's a technical disaster at this point.

mib2berlin

Hi, Beta meant Feature Complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle)
Vivaldi could release a closed Beta for example.

Call me in, mib

Blackbird

If the web browser itself isn't fully stable or reasonably feature-complete at its basic levels, there seems little point in rushing to add a mail client on top of it. That can only complicate and delay stability solutions. I look at things this way: all of us have been getting by with regard to eMail clients in some way or another for a couple of years now… waiting some months more is not going to matter that much. Patience remains the watchword... the mail client will come.

schreck

@schreck:

i am waiting since vivaldi came out and still no sign..

maybe they dont even work on it?
would be nice to at least know, how the status is. not even a single word on this is strange.

we would be all glad to bugtest it is normal users..

so could anyone from the devs drop a line maybe?

RVieira

It is something that is definitely being worked on. Back in February, due to some sort of bug, the snapshot I installed had M3 available, as seen here: http://i.imgur.com/4OY3ziy.png . It was gone in the next update, but it used to work.

Ayespy

It's definitely being worked on. A video was even posted, of the main EMail developer doing a powerpoint presentation of the technologies they are using, and why they chose each mail server access method, each database technology, etc.

RVieira

@Gwen-Dragon:

I think the M3 you talk about got accidently into the wild.

Trust me, cirrently there are some issues and missing features with M3, it is usable for testing but not really for using all the day!

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's what happened – still, it means it is being built!

schreck

interview with the ceo here:
http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Vivaldi-Gruender-Ein-Mobilbrowser-ist-auf-unserer-Liste-2909859.html

he is using builds with m3 but he doesnt feel its ready. too buggy and the gui has to be worked on.

schreck

interesting video, i didnt know they are doing this in JS.
what are the main advantages and drawbacks for doing this in javascript?

but im guessing there wont be anything showable until next year

question for the devs, will the mails be stored encrypted?
so only when you enter the master password, you get access to these?

An_dz

One of the biggest drawbacks is running time, JS needs to be interpreted. C++ simply runs machine code after compilation

Biggest advantage is that the same JS can be shared by any OS, by any processor architecture. No need to have gazillion of code for every nuance of the architecture or OS.

schreck

which language is it in opera 12?
the whole browser is freezing seconds, when you empty the trash for example… (and thats with only 100 mails and ssd..)

schreck

any news?

Ayespy

@schreck:

any news?

Vivaldi doesn't give expected completion dates or progress reports. What we know from comments and interviews elsewhere on the web is:

Jon want to include it in the next major version after Stable Version 1 (we are now approaching the third Beta toward Stable Version 1).
They are "working hard" on it and have several internal testers testing it daily.
It will not be released to the public until it is ready. The first official notice we will get of its progress will be the day it is included in a publicly-released build.