Ad blockers or not – your choice matters
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@LonM As far as I know the default links were selected with usefulness in mind, not necessary because they are sponsored, so easyjet either monitors the the clicks itself by using the UA, or they are no sponsor ...
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Sponsoring and direct relationships with the companies that place ads it the best way to do it, as both parties make more from it.
Ad-slingers make the most money, so they persuade the world that they are needed. They are not.
Twit.tv uses old fashioned sponsorship deals and they get a bigger cut.
Twitch streamers make more money from product placement and sponsorship than via adverts.Regarding a Vivaldi extensions site, I would expand on what @QuHno said and suggest that Vivaldi either team up with F-Droid, or mimic the way they operate.
The apps are not outdated there as long as the dev has kept their repo updated. F-Droid always do the build, and build direct from source.Vivaldi could offer a potentially safer extensions catalogue if the same restrictions were in place.
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Would it be too hard to take a turn for the Firefox engine? That yes seems to be free.
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@QuHno This is just replacements for the original "Socket" core library, that started off with "socket()", "connect()", "listen()", read()", "write()" and finally "close()" . the file system primitives that implements it all. It is just funny extensions, closing the file without really closing it, but doing something else.
You will not get anywhere unless you address the core functionality, how to kill a socket and wipe it out so nothing else can use it. It is also how to resolve addresses, lookup in "gethostid()" that use to return the "SOCKADDR_IN" of the string. The first variants I made just searched the "/etc/hosts" and plugged in the IP address and the whatever the /etc/hosts held of IP.
I believe it is time to kill connections, and trigger events to enable us to detect connections kept alive to spy on us. You still can "clear" SO_DONTLINGER and "SO_KEEPALIVE". Then your connection is taken down when it is teminated. The problem is that any client running Windows will try to keep it alive. -
@LonM You can "kill" them, but it is best to reset the drivers, because the Windows / Netbios will enforce IPX/SPX code that keeps the connections available, the Windows driver keeps the IP addresses so others can connect to "this" and "we" can connect to servers without credentials. This was for Microsoft initially, to allow them to connect when they wanted to. But remove the two options, I wonder if it is bit 13 and 14.
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@Neocazen The answer is given in the split thread
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@pesala: Ok. I begin to see that they made a terrible choice at the beginning of the project.
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@Neocazen there are not so many options to choose from
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@Neocazen i disagree, picking chromium as the base is the smartest design choice that could be made. it basically delegates ton of work on rendering standards which is a nightmare to those that have resources. google has by far the largest army of engineers, it actively participates and finances various web standard bodies and research.
as a result all other browsers with proprietary engines started lagging behind and have been playing catchup for years with their market shares dwindling.
there is nothing evil in rendering engine if it gets properly degoogled, it would be much worse to use mozilla engine that can go underwater any time, like the xul was scraped. -
@MaxKarlErnst Having google as a partner is like being of age and all the time having to ask Dad to go out to a party.
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@Neocazen in what way does forking chromium make google your partner?
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@Knuthf I didn't mean the low level method but the API. With the static rules list "comes late every time" i.e. can't get updated fast enough with the new Declarative Net Request because you must specify the exact resource you want to block. New sites and unknown threats come through because the list is outdated.
Additionally new rule sets can't be imported, because with Manifest V3 all assets must be inside of the extension, so to get a new rule set, you have to update the extension (at least it was planned like that the last time I looked, but maybe they've changed that bit in the meantime in the internal documents you can't see if you are no developer officially registered with the Chromium project or Google)
In comparison with the "old" webRequest blocking method, where you were able to analyze the page for certain characteristics and let the Extension decide to block it because it raised some alarms or followed a pattern, or preemptively block it when in doubt, or maybe (depending on the extension) let the human decide by setting new rules or exceptions. No need to kill sockets because the blocked request never left the the browser (never got to the TCP layer), but was canceled before it was made.
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@MaxKarlErnst whenever the code changes google pushes these changes to everyone no matter if for good or for bad (ours). They will end up doing what they did with Firefox in the past when they sabotaged Firefox while preparing Chrome.
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@Neocazen @MaxKarlErnst Do you know why did @Pesala link the thread Why do all use Chromium? If yes, please continue your discussion there. If not, please use your brain.
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There are plenty of better ways of generating revenue than cluttering a webpage with content that doesn't relate to what the user is interested. I saw a woman on a laptop with her whole screen filled with ads and only the upper left 25% of her screen was the content she was reading. She ignored the rest of the screen so she could read what she wanted to read.
The number of ads on webpages is insane and manipulative. Not to mention how many pages you go to and the page locks up or stutters because there is so much javascript and data loading from advertising. Then there is the tracking of everything you are doing so they can do more advertising.
I appreciate that you will will help us to keep having ad blocking because otherwise I would just switch to Firefox. If Firefox did the same thing, I would go back to an older browser and never upgrade again. Advertising is like a toxic partner who is abusive.
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@floweringmind I don't know if I'd go quite that far with the metaphor, but I know for sure that on a subscription as low as £1 per year many sites I visit even semi-frequently would get more over a year than any ad revenue (which could eften end up being as low as $0.001 per view).
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Basically, all UNWANTED ads say only one thing: "give me your money". And they try to present me this sentence in all kinds of stupid ways to try trick me give my money for something I do not want. How do I now I don't want that something? Simple: because I WASN'T SEARCHING FOR IT.
I personally am so SICK of uncalled ads that I immediately turn off TV when they start. That's the reason I gave up on watching TV.
Same with webpages. I always use adblockers and the moment they stop function is the moment I will stop reading webpages. I rather prefer to pay for content I really need then to be assaulted by "cretinoid" ads.On the other hand I am OK with ads for the products/services I am looking for. That's why I like store pages, sites dedicated to commercials where I can find offers for the things I need, at the time I am in the mood to search for them, NOT WHEN I TRY TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE.
I want to see our society free of this plague and ad-blocking enforced by law. In my view this will increase the quality of life for all peoples. Ads should only be allowed on special places or sites where people looking for something can search for what is relevant to them, without disturbing the ones that are not interested.
I am well aware that the corporations who rule the world today will never allow this to happen. They only need brainwashed-human-cattle to buy their crap mindlessly.Things will only change if EACH of you will start rejecting ALL unwanted ads.
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I'm not a highly technical person but I really do like the Vivaldi browser and was disappointed to hear about Google's decision to end support for ad blockers. I understand that Vivaldi may have some options to make it still possible for its users to browse the web they want to, but I am concerned still and am wondering if it makes sense to switch now to a browser that isn't based on Chrome so that I won't have to rush to do it later. This is so disappointing.
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Research Shows Publishers Benefit Little From Tracking Ads
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/06/research-shows-publishers-benefit-little-tracking-adsHehe.
This thread may see more incoming users now it is linked in the Register
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/13/google_chrome_ad_blockers/?page=2 -