Ad blockers or not – your choice matters
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@Neocazen in what way does forking chromium make google your partner?
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@Knuthf I didn't mean the low level method but the API. With the static rules list "comes late every time" i.e. can't get updated fast enough with the new Declarative Net Request because you must specify the exact resource you want to block. New sites and unknown threats come through because the list is outdated.
Additionally new rule sets can't be imported, because with Manifest V3 all assets must be inside of the extension, so to get a new rule set, you have to update the extension (at least it was planned like that the last time I looked, but maybe they've changed that bit in the meantime in the internal documents you can't see if you are no developer officially registered with the Chromium project or Google)
In comparison with the "old" webRequest blocking method, where you were able to analyze the page for certain characteristics and let the Extension decide to block it because it raised some alarms or followed a pattern, or preemptively block it when in doubt, or maybe (depending on the extension) let the human decide by setting new rules or exceptions. No need to kill sockets because the blocked request never left the the browser (never got to the TCP layer), but was canceled before it was made.
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@MaxKarlErnst whenever the code changes google pushes these changes to everyone no matter if for good or for bad (ours). They will end up doing what they did with Firefox in the past when they sabotaged Firefox while preparing Chrome.
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@Neocazen @MaxKarlErnst Do you know why did @Pesala link the thread Why do all use Chromium? If yes, please continue your discussion there. If not, please use your brain.
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There are plenty of better ways of generating revenue than cluttering a webpage with content that doesn't relate to what the user is interested. I saw a woman on a laptop with her whole screen filled with ads and only the upper left 25% of her screen was the content she was reading. She ignored the rest of the screen so she could read what she wanted to read.
The number of ads on webpages is insane and manipulative. Not to mention how many pages you go to and the page locks up or stutters because there is so much javascript and data loading from advertising. Then there is the tracking of everything you are doing so they can do more advertising.
I appreciate that you will will help us to keep having ad blocking because otherwise I would just switch to Firefox. If Firefox did the same thing, I would go back to an older browser and never upgrade again. Advertising is like a toxic partner who is abusive.
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@floweringmind I don't know if I'd go quite that far with the metaphor, but I know for sure that on a subscription as low as £1 per year many sites I visit even semi-frequently would get more over a year than any ad revenue (which could eften end up being as low as $0.001 per view).
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Basically, all UNWANTED ads say only one thing: "give me your money". And they try to present me this sentence in all kinds of stupid ways to try trick me give my money for something I do not want. How do I now I don't want that something? Simple: because I WASN'T SEARCHING FOR IT.
I personally am so SICK of uncalled ads that I immediately turn off TV when they start. That's the reason I gave up on watching TV.
Same with webpages. I always use adblockers and the moment they stop function is the moment I will stop reading webpages. I rather prefer to pay for content I really need then to be assaulted by "cretinoid" ads.On the other hand I am OK with ads for the products/services I am looking for. That's why I like store pages, sites dedicated to commercials where I can find offers for the things I need, at the time I am in the mood to search for them, NOT WHEN I TRY TO FOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE.
I want to see our society free of this plague and ad-blocking enforced by law. In my view this will increase the quality of life for all peoples. Ads should only be allowed on special places or sites where people looking for something can search for what is relevant to them, without disturbing the ones that are not interested.
I am well aware that the corporations who rule the world today will never allow this to happen. They only need brainwashed-human-cattle to buy their crap mindlessly.Things will only change if EACH of you will start rejecting ALL unwanted ads.
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I'm not a highly technical person but I really do like the Vivaldi browser and was disappointed to hear about Google's decision to end support for ad blockers. I understand that Vivaldi may have some options to make it still possible for its users to browse the web they want to, but I am concerned still and am wondering if it makes sense to switch now to a browser that isn't based on Chrome so that I won't have to rush to do it later. This is so disappointing.
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Research Shows Publishers Benefit Little From Tracking Ads
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/06/research-shows-publishers-benefit-little-tracking-adsHehe.
This thread may see more incoming users now it is linked in the Register
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/13/google_chrome_ad_blockers/?page=2 -
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Time to break out the champagne as we all become executives
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Yes, I think it would be highly appreciated by the current Vivaldi users if an official statement by Vivaldi on this matter were to be published.
I imagine that a browser crippled in such a way that e.g. R. Gorhill's extensions (uBlock Origin, uMatrix) could not function properly any more would resemble a car with two wheels removed and might lead to users switching to more or less the only truly viable alternative these days.
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I freaking love Vivaldi! Thank you for your work.
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If the lack of an adblocker in a desktop browser is already a real scourge, not only to avoid nuisance ads, but can also lead to security and privacy problems, worse still on the mobile, where ads and trackers are not only a risk for privacy and security, but they can also terribly slow down browsing on low-end smartphones (mine). I have this problem and I have to navigate with the help of Blokada, because if not, some pages open at the speed of the last century with a modem of 56.
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I buyed the lifetime version of Adguard, since that time there is no ad on neither my devices.
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I use ublock origin which blocks just about everything.From my understanding google is not actually blocking adblock extensions but merely putting a cap on the amount of filters which can be used in extensions like ublock for instance.
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Bump
Since Firefox did a dive into liquid manure I need Vivaldi to be able to use Ublock origins. Come on guys a good addblock is all that is missing imho.
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The only ad-blocke I miss is one for WebOS, since I made the mistake of buying a TV LG.
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@Gwen-Dragon
with the built in Add block I still get served adds.
uBlock origin on the other hand is
- spot on
- always up to date
- 100% accurate (my experience)
Why reinvent the wheel? You built an awesome browser let others focus on addblock.
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@m-e said in Ad blockers or not – your choice matters:
Why reinvent the wheel?
It was actually requested by many users.