Solved Customisable Toolbars
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@MaxKarlErnst It's easier to make a constrained UI, as then you can just hard-code the way everything is. Drag and drop is difficult (I've tried to code that myself), but now that the work is done for some parts of the UI it should be simpler to apply it to the rest.
My main concern with all this at the time is was started - if drag and drop was implemented, why wasn't it implemented for every part of the UI at the same time.
Extensions are a special case given that the extensions themselves and general context of what you're browsing can control the appearance of buttons.
There is absolutely no chrome restriction on what Vivaldi does with its toolbars, as Vivaldi has full control over development of them.
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@LonM yeah, it's more difficult exactly for the reason you tried to code it yourself from scratch, there is myriad of various frameworks and 3rd party controls for decades that allow such customization. As code already existed Google could have easily added the ability considering that his competitors at the time firefox and opera already had epic customization. But they deliberately went the fixed UI way, joining IE.
I'm aware vivaldi devs are now in tough spot but I'm greatly disturbed by any Google-like moves made by them, like removing classes from bunch of elements, instead of working on expanding them and unifying them. The loss of customization for the placebo speed up effects is just bad practice.And yeah, you're right about chrome restrictions, no toolbar mod would work if there were any real obstacles to full customization, the fact that my reload button is between adressbar and search bar testifies no "toolbar" is needed there.
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The rest of the thread which was a feedback about how we handle feature request was forked here.
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@gaelle Thanks. Literally couldn't figure out where to fork it.
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One of the best features from Old Opera, which was so flexible on how it could be customised.
There is plenty of space on the Address Bar on a 1920x1080 landscape monitor even with my favourite 32 pixel DTA icon set. Even on my 1200x1600 pixel portrait monitor it is perfectly workable with this many buttons (and more after the URL field).
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Why is this still not possible? Would be great to have the capture and page tiling icons on the right side of the address bar, more like Opera 12.
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@eduardomaio said in Customisable Toolbars:
Why is this still not possible?
Because it's really difficult, and involved, to code.
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I have been in the process of migrating from Firefox/Waterfox to Vivaldi since April.
I was able to adjust to many things and developed muscle memory to do most things Vivaldi way.Main toolbar functionality remains the last issue, though. If we use a scientific approach to justifying the possibility of placing buttons on each side of the address bar, I guess it may be more accurate to say address field, then it may be very helpful to refer to the basic knowledge about the structure of human brain and how it works. Please take a look here:
and read the Wikipedia article also. Upon studying this information you can get a clearer picture of why so many people are asking you to make it possible to place the buttons where they want. This is coming from inside our brains! The hemispheres of our brains control our left/right hands, eyes and whatnot and dictate where they need to have the buttons for balanced and comfortable cognitive activity when working in a browser.
Please keep this functionality request on the top of your list. This is fundamental and it may be very essential in differentiating Vivaldi from Chrome and the gang.
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@Ascar Thanks. I don't work for Vivaldi, and don't have a list. But total and complete customization is already on their list.
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@Ayespy Thank you, I thought you were a part of the Vivaldi team.
Where can I find out about the scope of 'complete customization' and timeline? I first defected Firefox circa ver 57 and later on Waterfox but I have my hands itching to try Firefox again 8 months after jumping on Vivaldi just for the mere fact that Firefox allows to drag buttons across the whole width of the toolbar.... -
@Ascar said in Customisable Toolbars:
Please take a look here:
I can totally vouch for this. I'm left handed, I write a diary and a cry a lot. So yeah.
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@Ascar said in Customisable Toolbars:
Where can I find out about the scope of 'complete customization' and timeline?
Thanks for asking, but you can't. Neither can I. It's a somewhat fluid situation, with a very small development team and thousands of bugs to repair at the same time new features are being developed, and the continually-shifting sand of the Chromium engine underlying it all.
We put in our requests, thousands of those as well, and we wait. And day by day, Vivaldi adds more and more features and custumization.
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@Pesala
It would also be greatly appreciated if the buttons could be dragged to the sidebar as well and have a menu in settings so the customisations made to the browser is more centralised. -
In addition to the other customizability options, I wish there was an option to have color buttons. This fascination with greyscale themes over the last decade or so is awful. (One of the things I hated Apple starting.) Different colors can convey a lot of information at a glance, but UI designers like this fad of using a few similar shades of grey instead. Am I looking at a light grey button or a dark grey button? I often can't tell. At least Firefox includes black buttons, but Vivaldi doesn't even do that.
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@stardepp It has been work in progress for years. There is nothing new to get excited about just yet.
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@pesala said in Customisable Toolbars:
@stardepp It has been work in progress for years. There is nothing new to get excited about just yet.
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@stardepp Since some aspects of the toolbars can already be edited, the feature is technically 'in progress', but it'll probably take a long time to finish it. Randomly noticed that this feature request doesn't have a status, so I added it today.
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@jane-n Thank you for this information.
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I want the same or greater ways to customise the toolbox than Firefox has.