Any word on M3? (internal mail client)
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@npro said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
stop teasing with info and details please since we don't know when it's coming, it creates huge expectations which makes the waiting unbearable, which is not nice , not nice at all
@npro , sorry about that. I just feel that it is important to keep you in the loop. I am also telling you more as I am feeling confident that the wait will not be too long, but sadly we still need a bit more time.
Take all the time you need Jon, I appreciate that you are always around to communicate with us -often with more info than your position would allow- before anything else. I certainly prefer polished over good/promising but half-baked, as haters are usually waiting in the corner to use the latter for tearing apart the first with badmouth. Don't mind my hyperbole, everything so far was in good measure, can't wait for the next phase where the hype-machine officially starts going
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
the wait will not be too long, but sadly we still need a bit more time.
So we will get the next Stable release and then after that a Snapshot with M3 (perhaps) :face_savouring_delicious_food:
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to the rescue!!!
:smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes:
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@Gwen-Dragon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@Zalex108 DokTOOOOOOOOOORRRRRR! Daleks!!!!!!
@Gwen-Dragon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@Zalex108 you get and for this
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@TbGbe said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
the wait will not be too long, but sadly we still need a bit more time.
So we will get the next Stable release and then after that a Snapshot with M3 (perhaps) :face_savouring_delicious_food:
Maybe. WIR always is the deciding factor.
Jon.
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Well now that we talk about the RSS feeder as well, will it support .rdf too like for example of this well-known site? https://www.bluesnews.com/ AFAIK not many RSS feeders support the format, or IIRC that of a known competitor.
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@npro said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Well now that we talk about the RSS feeder as well, will it support .rdf too like for example of this well-known site? https://www.bluesnews.com/ AFAIK not many RSS feeders support the format, or IIRC that of a known competitor.
@npro , we will evaluate the demand moving forward.
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@npro Opera 12/M2 did, so that'd be great.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
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@schreck said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
As said it won't be in the first technical preview, but it wouldn't be unlikely for plans to change by the first stable release depending on user demand.
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@mtaki14 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@schreck said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
As said it won't be in the first technical preview, but it wouldn't be unlikely for plans to change by the first stable release depending on user demand.
I expect import to be ready before any final release. The TP, however, will likely not have import as yet. You can still play with M3 and the TP is for playing, although I recognize some users will make it their default, just like I have.
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@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@mtaki14 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@schreck said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
@jon said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
Import is sadly not in place. .. and we would rather show you what we got and add import later.
now, seriously!?? the old users are waiting for over 5 years now, so that they can switch and you dont even have an import function from m2!??
As said it won't be in the first technical preview, but it wouldn't be unlikely for plans to change by the first stable release depending on user demand.
I expect import to be ready before any final release. The TP, however, will likely not have import as yet. You can still play with M3 and the TP is for playing, although I recognize some users will make it their default, just like I have.
I don't think i'm going to be able to resist.
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@Folgore101 said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
I don't think i'm going to be able to resist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtEaR1JU-ps :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes:
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Yeah, that's a big "yikes" from me. I haven't been using m2 for five years, but I've been using it exclusively on my windows laptop for the past 18 months or so.
I mean, having to open a separate program to view past e-mails isn't catastrophic or anything. But it is really, really (really) annoying...
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Oh, okay.
Sorry, I should read the thread through before my "really annoying" comment. It's just the entire hook for me (and I suspect for others too) will be the ability to not have to swap programs (and it seems not leaving the browser is why many people put up with the irritating aspects of webmail). So the prospect of having to swap programs to view older e-mails was especially irksome to me.Anyway, thank you for seeing this through. If it's pedigree is any indication, I'm sure it will be a great client, and will make Vivaldi more attractive than it already is to a good number of users.
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@jdvernet said in Any word on M3? (internal mail client):
I mean, having to open a separate program to view past e-mails isn't catastrophic or anything. But it is really, really (really) annoying
I really don't see why it should be annoying for some, I always used a "separate program" for managing mails and newsgroups: Outlook Express, Forte Agent, now Thunderbird since years. I don't get what's the matter with people absolutely wanting mail integrated in a browser. I don't even look at my gmail account from the browser, as it's easier and faster from Thunderbird.
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@iAN-CooG This is not a general truth, but M2 is just the superiour client to all those that you have mentioned (at least for me). I want a successor with the features of M2 and with added GPG and possibly S/Mime support, with even more and more improved features. That's why I am eager to try M3, because I expect it to be a decent software with decent functionality.
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@iAN-CooG The main reason I started using Opera 5.0 was for its email client. I still use it in Opera 12.18. Old emails are not urgent for me.
After we get M3 in Vivaldi I can use it as my default email client (I have never used any other client like Thundbird). If I need to see my old emails, I will have to boot up Opera 12.18, but that would be maybe once a week or once a month, not every time I start my PC.
The only other reason I use Opera is to edit local HTML files using. If we get Option to use External Editor as Source Viewer and mail import, I can finally stop launching Opera 12.18.
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@iAN-CooG The seamless integration that comes with being able to e.g. open links in the background, add excerpts to Vivaldi notes, drag and drop links to your bookmarks bar etc all while still being in the comfort of your own browser is a pretty underrated convenience. It's hard to go back to anything else once you get used to this workflow.
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To quote myself from earlier in this thread
I used to be a pretty staunch "web browser is for browsing the web. E-mail client is for receiving, composing, and organizing e-mails. And never the tween shall meet" type of person. But, that was then... Nowadays, since both are open constantly on 99% of computers, I say combine them. I doesn't add much size, and it really doesn't add any upkeep because once smoothed out it's pretty much locked as e-mail really doesn't change. Most people want their e-mail clients to be browsers anyway, since they're absolutely insistent on sending html mail.
Other than that, I can only second what others have already replied. For windows, m2 (opera mail) is king. Never liked Outlook, and Thunderbird has gone way downhill due to Mozilla not really caring about it anymore. The only reason I don't use m2 on mac is because I use Mailsmith which basically gives you BBedit for free. Once M3 comes out, and if it's good, Mailsmith will be relegated to just that, text editing (support for Mailsmith has ended and the dev has urged users to move on).
In addition (and also as mentioned), an 'all in one' workflow is very attractive.