Multi-Account Containers

koijigen

I always stay in MAC at Firefox.
It is necessary.

Vivaldi is definitely one of the best browsers. I have high hopes.

How can I contribute to the development of this feature?

ingolftopf

@koijigen If Apple opened up to Vivaldi in iOS, he would have been there a long, long time ago.

rziiil

I too am eagerly awaiting the day when this comes to Vivaldi.

My use case is Microsoft Teams, where I need to log in to multiple servers.

SessionBox did not work for me; Teams gave me an error related to missing cookies when I tried it.

There is another Chromium-based browser called 'Sidekick' that supports this concept very well, although the multiple-account-containers seem to be web panels instead of tabs. It also has session management controls built into the panel, which is another V issue with hundreds of upvotes. Sidekick requires an account, and also does a bad job of notifications (at least, for the apps I use).

Multi-account containers, Tree style tabs, colored tab groups, and a session management panel. These are the main things holding my co-workers back from switching to V when I try to get them onboard.

byogesh

Absolutely love what Vivaldi offers but Firefox is the default browser for me just for the containers. This one feature will make me a complete switch. Really hoping the devs look into this most requested feature!

texomans

I recently found Sidekick Browser that has found a decent way of doing this. Of course, it is not Vivaldi, which I love all the available features, but if they can do this, why can't Vivaldi?

Sidekick Browser

Ayespy

@texomans No one ever said Vivaldi can't.

That said, the commitment of Vivaldi developers is first to the founding vision of Vivaldi, which has still not been realized, second to the needs and preferences of a majority of Vivaldi users, and third to the preferences of the many subsets of users that make up the community of users of Vivaldi. Hence, while multi-account containers is on their radar, it is not yet a priority. If/when it reaches priority status, it will be addressed.

texomans

@Ayespy I understand some of what you said, but I would assume that with literally the most votes of all feature requests, it would be implemented. Just seems like a ton of users, including myself, are stuck still using Firefox or other alternatives, when this would make the browser fit all needs to fully switch.

Pesala

@texomans Decision-making Process
Please watch Jón’s Response to my Question on this topic.

I asked the question a couple of years ago.

ajvt

@Pesala said in Multi-Account Containers:

@texomans Decision-making Process
Please watch Jón’s Response to my Question on this topic.

I asked the question a couple of years ago.

In all honesty, you can't be serious with this reply.

The multi-account container feature has been requested almost 3 years ago. I checked the first 20 pages of feature requests and next to session panels, it's by far the most requested feature.

Another things is, the reason why people request this feature has been made very very clear time after time again. It's the main reason people keep sticking to Firefox instead of any other browser.

Leading your development team with: "sometimes we just want to implement stuff" is fine. At the same time, it's close to neglecting your userbase. At least, that's how it feels on the other side.

Strategically, if Vivaldi would implement this feature, it will instantly grow her userbase and become the default go-to developers browsers (because it makes sense because a lot of reasons). In turn, friends and families of these developers will follow. This is how things works.

To me it looks like Vivaldi simply doesn't want any new users by acting like this. And this is fine. I've been looking at Vivaldi from time to time over the past 2 years now, but not switching to it because of the lack of multi-account containers.

My personal use-case is very simple, I have to maintain a big cloud environment of different hyperscalers. For some, even with multiple accounts (god-mode and normal user accounts). I can't have 20 windows open, I just want to use one account per tab, like in Firefox. This is the way security dictates administrators and developers to work anno 2022.

In the meantime, Vivaldi is implementing a clock

Pesala

@ajvt You are making the common mistake of seeing things solely from your own viewpoint.

I provided the link to the interview with Jón so that you can know how the Vivaldi Team decides what to implement. Do not accuse me of not being serious if you do not like the answer.

This issue is tagged as Nice to Have. The number of upvotes is only one factor in deciding what gets added. If you see the tag changed to In Progress, it may be added soon.

LocutusOfBorg

@Pesala said in Multi-Account Containers:

@ajvt You are making the common mistake of seeing things solely from your own viewpoint.
I provided the link to the interview with Jón so that you can know how the Vivaldi Team decides what to implement. Do not accuse me of not being serious if you do not like the answer.
This issue is tagged as Nice to Have. The number of upvotes is only one factor in deciding what gets added. If you see the tag changed to In Progress, it may be added soon.

The upvotes should be the only thing that matters if they indicate something is a truly wanted feature over others. The only thing that should take any presidense over the votes are keeping the privacy features updated and current.

ajvt

@Pesala said in Multi-Account Containers:

@ajvt You are making the common mistake of seeing things solely from your own viewpoint.

I provided the link to the interview with Jón so that you can know how the Vivaldi Team decides what to implement.

Looking at this 10 page thread, there are about 200 posts of people not liking this situation. This is not just me.

The first response of Jon is literally: "we listen to our users". After 3 years and 200 posts of this one specific feature request, I honestly doubt Vivaldi really does. It feels more like the uservoice of Microsoft. I don't understand why Vivaldi simply doesn't care about this image. Why? Because I love Vivaldi.

Jon also states: "sometimes a developer fancies a feature and wants to implement it". This is also fine, but routinely giving precedence to that kind of work, over the community request is not ok in my opinion.

Do not accuse me of not being serious if you do not like the answer.

The not being serious is about Jon's answer vs the reality of a 3-year + 200 post old feature request. You can't take his "we listen to the community" serious.

To me, it looks like you're defending that Vivaldi still didn't implement this. Mostly, because telling me about my mistake of seeing things solely from my own viewpoint.

If you read carefully, you see "...and that is ok..." multiple times in my previous posts. However , the whole response of Jon to your question on how decisions are being made, can be simply summarized as: "we listen to the community, but we do it in an ad-hoc way. What we want, when we want it".

To me, this looks like the chaos model, which again is fine. I mean, that's the choice of Vivaldi. But, if they do so, please stop saying the user/community input is being listened to and stop providing the impression of working on feature requests originating in the community, by providing a platform to collect these feature requests in the first place.

Last but not least, I'm part of the Vivaldi userbase, I'm part of the community around Vivaldi. That is my viewpoint. A forum (like this) is to discuss viewpoints imho.

If me myself or anyone else chooses a specific point of view, the choice is made by that person. That is not a "mistake", at least, not in my opinion. The most toxic poison to damage/kill any community is to discredit someone's viewpoint. If you want to actually build a community, maybe it's a good idea to ask the question why someone has a specific viewpoint.

This issue is tagged as Nice to Have. The number of upvotes is only one factor in deciding what gets added. If you see the tag changed to In Progress, it may be added soon.

I'm well aware how this works. Thanks.

@LocutusOfBorg said in Multi-Account Containers:

The upvotes should be the only thing that matters if they indicate something is a truly wanted feature over others. The only thing that should take any presidense over the votes are keeping the privacy features updated and current.

This. Which isn't a clock or philips lighting stuff.

QZMTCH

@blackmedicine said in Multi-Account Containers:

i cant figure out how to vote on this forum site, but this is a feature that no other browser but Firefox had implemented in a usefull way.

in my use, the cent browser has implemented multi-login tabs in the most convenient way of all (since 2017, and is constantly updated and expanded functionality) https://i.imgur.com/eeK4T24.gif
plans to add "incognito multilogin tab"

ps I deleted the autobot3 account, but it didn’t work from the temporary mail, moderators please delete the testacca account
tnx

LocutusOfBorg

@QZMTCH said in Multi-Account Containers:

in my use, the cent browser has implemented multi-login tabs in the most convenient way of all (since 2017, and is constantly updated and expanded functionality) https://i.imgur.com/eeK4T24.gif
plans to add "incognito multilogin tab"

I love Cent Browser almost as much as I love Vivaldi, but I run Linux so no Cent browser for me. Maybe time for me to go bump my thread there about Linux and Cent.

QZMTCH

@LocutusOfBorg
Yes, as the developer wrote, there is Linux in the plans, but given that he wrote this 2 years ago, and given how long he releases releases, it is not clear whether he will do it at all sometime or not, you can ask him again, he is just now often visits the forum before the release

Yes, we have plan to port the browser to MacOS and Linux, but no timeline.
https://www.centbrowser.net/en/showthread.php?tid=3887&pid=18035#pid18035

VENIX

@QZMTCH I would love to see their implementation of what they call multilogin tab. I can't seem to find anything on their official site.

So far everyone relies on some third-party solution that calls on some server. The aim here is a local-in-browser solution.

patrickweiden

@QZMTCH: Unfortunately, the Cent browser it pretty old and the multilogin tabs will be restored as normal tabs after re-opening the browser. But at least one has the ability to log into the same service several times (during a running session). Maybe the Vivaldi team can get a glimpse at how others right now implemented a feature similar to MAC into a Chromium-based browser...

QZMTCH

@VENIX
even added earlier than 2017

Added multi-login tab
v1.5.7.18 [2015-10-26]

one developer, and often disappears, on the site he posted features in the form of screenshots, so it remained unchanged there
multilogin tabs work like this:
every time you open a new tab, a new session opens and it is remembered, after closing you can open it again and there will be the session that you used (even after restarting the browser), be guided by the color of the dot at the top https://i.imgur.com/ykKGjbR.png there is no list, you can bombard the developer on the forum with requests for features maybe he will add something more convenient

PS Or are you talking about open tabs? open yes, they are not restored, well, you need to kick the developer to do it

QZMTCH

@patrickweiden said in Multi-Account Containers:

Cent browser it pretty old

Chromium 108 release planned

and the multilogin tabs will be restored as normal tabs after re-opening the browser

I don’t even remember how it was on the stable version, but on this 102 beta, all multi-login tabs are restored
https://i.imgur.com/bjEk0w5.gif
here on the GIF I have already deleted the third account, so it is not logged in

PS Or are you talking about open tabs? open yes, they are not restored, well, you need to kick the developer to do it

VENIX

@QZMTCH I'm more interested on the technical side of it. If the cookies jars are handled locally rather than relayed to some 3rd party server or just a clever used of standard session and private/incognito session.