Solved Sessions Panel

Killy.MXI

@Pesala
A kindly reminder that the current tab management in Vivaldi is terribly insufficient.
Sessions in their current state are stuck in the last century.
Other browsers at least trying to provide something more convenient. Although I'm yet to see a completely hassle-free and smooth workflow with live sessions.

I don't want to save and reopen tabs - I want them just being where I left them when I need them. And don't stand in the way and don't waste resources when I don't need them. All without extra attention from my side and no risks to accidentally lose a session... (by closing something in a wrong way or forgetting to manually save something).

The damn thing is solved ages ago in the tools used to develop Vivaldi itself - IDEs have the concept of projects and keep each project state so we can get back to it without extra effort. Why it's so hard to understand the same thing for browsers?

(In fact, while writing this, Vivaldi (3.5.2088.7) is challenging my patience with totally broken tabs for almost a week already. Any emotional response is the result of this frustration. I hope something good is coming out of this. Don't disappoint me.)

Pesala

@Killy-MXI People have unrealistic expectations. From this comes constant disappointment.

Killy.MXI

@Pesala This is insulting thing to say.

You better say "It can't be bone because of this and that." so I could correct my expectations.

At this point I mostly disappointed by poor communication.

Pesala

@Killy-MXI said in Sessions Panel:

This is insulting thing to say.

I tried to avoid disrupting this thread by sending you a PM, but if you want, we can discuss it in public.

In my message I said: “Look again at your own insulting comments before pointing the finger at me.”

@ Pesala A kindly reminder that the current tab management in Vivaldi is terribly insufficient. Sessions in their current state are stuck in the last century.
The damn thing is solved ages ago in the tools used to develop Vivaldi itself - IDEs have the concept of projects and keep each project state so we can get back to it without extra effort. Why it's so hard to understand the same thing for browsers?

Nothing is stopping you from leaving the tabs open. As I said, “Why not just move them to a new window?” That is a simple way to divide groups of tabs into separate projects:

I don't want to save and reopen tabs - I want them just being where I left them when I need them. And don't stand in the way and don't waste resources when I don't need them.

Since each Tab runs in a separate process, I suspect that using resources is unavoidable, though one can hibernate background tabs.

Most things can be done given enough developers, and enough time, but this request has been around a long time and is the most upvoted of all requests, yet it has not been implemented yet. Maybe it is not as easy as you think it is to satisfy everyone’s expectations?

Killy.MXI

“Look again at your own insulting comments before pointing the finger at me.”

I stand by my opinion: I didn't attack anyone by my initial comment. Any annoyance was addressed to software. And it is an important conversation tool when we speak about user experience.
Your comment, on the other hand, was personal and disparaging of users. And in my opinion that makes it pretty low for a person wearing a title that is intended to help building bridges between the company and it's users.

Nothing is stopping you from leaving the tabs open.

Performance. Around 500 hibernated tabs is the boundary where Vivaldi becomes unbearably slow (For the old Opera that was around 2000 tabs);
Lack of focus. Groups are of partial help here, but a lot of small issues prevent their efficient use;
In fact, I don't want this many tabs at any single moment of time. Tab hoarding is just what kinda works with the current tech. I want the software to offer a better workflow. No current tools offer that.

I've written about existing features before:

The takeaway is still the same: I'm aware of existing features and none of them are satisfactory.

Most things can be done given enough developers, and enough time, but this request has been around a long time and is the most upvoted of all requests, yet it has not been implemented yet. Maybe it is not as easy as you think it is to satisfy everyone’s expectations?

This doesn't mean I can't keep nudging.

First, I want to share my experience and expectations in hope to get the (hopefully eventually implemented) feature closer to my needs;
second, I can't see an acknowledgement of the importance of this and any roadmap, while I see some "bells and whistles" being added instead, presented as the biggest achievements... It grows my irritation.

Pesala

@Killy-MXI said in Sessions Panel:

I didn't attack anyone by my initial comment.

Only the developers, but you quoted me, which invited a response from me. I gave a generic reply that applies to all users and all feature requests. It sure beats me why you regard that as insulting.

You could have discussed it by replying to my PM, but chose to insult me in public instead, so I reply in public too.

Vivaldi is not Old Opera. Like Chrome, it uses one process for each tab, and another for each extension.
Tab Stacks, Tab Tiling, and separate windows, can all help. It is the best that is available at the moment.
No doubt there are extensions, but they only lead to more problems to deal with.

Unrealistic hopes, and expectations lead to disappointment. The team is small, and there are over 3,100 feature requests. Do you think that you're the only one here who has features that are important to them?
The Pipeline tag is an indication that they will implement this feature eventually, but it is not currently In Progress.

Believe me when I say that nudging has no effect. I have been nudging for five years for the Vivaldi Team to give more feedback, to go through and tag feature requests more thoroughly, and comment on the most popular requests. It has had very little effect.

I am not your enemy. Your impatience does not help your case.

barbudo2005

Sorry, but I consider that the statement "People have unrealistic expectations. From this comes constant disappointment" is definitely NOT a "insulting thing to say"; and of course NOT a "indecent behavior".

Instead it is a absolute realistic statement that consider that there are 3000+ requests, the Vivaldi team is small and that Vivaldi is a fantastic browser that is NOT the "perfect browser" for each one of the million people that use it, would like to have.

Steffie

What was this thread about again? I think i've forgotten.

barbudo2005

@Steffie

Sometimes you must talk about the people of Vivaldi and not only about the software of Vivaldi.

Gaëlle

Thanks everyone for your input on this request. @Killy-MXI we hear your frustration and sorry for not delivering faster on this one.

Here's some input for everyone: In the future, please ask questions and ping some me so that I can give more input. It's more constructive for everyone.

For example regarding this request in particular, we recently discussed with the dev team and pointed it out. They have quite a lot in their backlog at this stage but we will be pushing for it so that they manage to prioritize it. We'll keep you updated once we have more to share. Thanks for being patient with us.

Killy.MXI

Thank you.
With this I got the acknowledgement so I can wait for updates patiently.

Pflyg

Hi, just wanted to say I really miss a way to better organise sessions. What I am really looking for is to be able to close a window and reeopen it later when I need it again. Sessions in its current form kind of make this possible, but not really.

warex

@aonet Great concept, something like tabXpert in Chrome but that detects tab stacks and different opened windows in the already available window panel would be perfect. It has useful features like a one-click button to close and save all tabs in a window in 'Closed sessions' (Like OneTab).

Adding a saved sessions section in the window panel and a save button at the left of the current floating close button that has the option (in settings) to save and close the stack (or window) in one click, with keyboard shortcuts and context menu options, would be a great start. And obviously window detection, Vivaldi only detects current window, not all opened Vivaldi windows.

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Mike999

@aonet - I really like this extension in Opera and it would be great if the devs could come up with a panel like this for Vivaldi 9 which I love for its other features - group tabs and split screen)

Mike999

@aonet
Having just "moved over" from Opera, it would be GREAT to have Vivaldi's version of V7Sessions in the side panel!!!

ksus

Since I can see no actions upon propositions in this thread I just wanted to propose something simpler to introduce - search field for sessions (eg. in window where you open them). I have actually tremendous number of sessions and would be very glad if something like real time prompt when typing the session name would occurred. Something like what is happening when you type frequently used URL in address bar. Even better would be if this would work in address bar when typing.

ourostra

Hi, I think this idea is great. Currently, sessions are opened in a new window and this is inconsistent with the rest of the Vivaldi functionality, such as: notes, or introduced in the last version: calendar, mail, contacts.

Along with this idea: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/24257/make-sessions-editable
The session panel would be a really powerful tool

And above all, I would like the errors to be corrected: VB-46973 ("Save selected tabs as session doesn't handle pinned tabs correctly"), VB-66398 ("Saved sessions are opened with pinned tabs"). I have a few cards pinned all the time and because of these errors "Sessions" are useless to me.

BOUSILLOR

Same here, "session" is really not user friendly in its current state, having a session panel would make it easier to port the current browsing history across devices/OS.
It would also avoid "tabs jam", as you could "snapshot" the current browsing - with let say a "+" button and swap between dedicated tabs groups easier than the "Signets" folders can do.
Incidentally it would avoid cross log in as, as for now, vivaldi cannot log in into a single tab, for exemple, if you log to website using a google account, you will then be logged across the whole session, and sometimes you need to be kept in so privacy window is a no go.
Rollbacks would come easy, multi desktops and users too, and you could even link "page actions" to a session, like for exemple sepia for reading. Parameters even! as the multi-user way of vivaldi would actually be less powerful than just a better session management.
I'm pretty sure it would also be earth friendly as less tab in session = less scroll among them = less refresh = less carbon footprint!

Edit : it could also autosave per window, and avoid loosing your "main" window/session, when you close them in the wrong order, while the persistence of vivaldi in notification bar avoid a bit this issue, it's still lurking around.

risingStark

I use TabsOutliner extension for managing my sessions. There has been a lot of discussion over this and would again like to point out that manageable sessions as vivaldi's native functionality as now I have to pay for the backing up feature in TabsOutliner becuase it does not sync across devices and it is a real mess somedays.

TabsOutliner:

very simple tree structure,
can just clost the tab and keep it in the tree structure for future
also close and delete the tab entry
merge sessions
name sessions
move around multiple tabs across sessions
make another session altogether as a child of some previous session.
make a single tab as a new session
Backup and sync, paid

Having this functionality either through a separate sessions panel or not is equally acceptable to me.