Vivaldi for iOS
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Read this post and watch the interview with Vivaldi boss Jon von Tetzchner...he also talks about an iOS version in this video:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/46291/interview-with-jon-von-tetzchner
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@Ayespy Thanks for your insight -- I understand what you're saying... but it begs the question...?:
How is Google able to have Chrome on the iOS store? Certainly they didn't build their browser anew with an Apple engine?
Its been on the wish-list for awhile -- and STILL a very real desire.
Make an iOS version and Vivaldi could be my default cross-platform browser (I loathe Android OS!) -
@ioz said in Question about iOS before switching.:
Certainly they didn't build their browser anew with an Apple engine?
They absolutely did. But then, they have hundreds of developers and billions of dollars, so it was that not all that big of a deal for them.
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Late to the game here. I was just “browsing” around when I found a link to Vivaldi. So, curious sort that I am, I checked it out and quickly found that for Vivaldi “across all platforms” does NOT include iOS. I’m wondering why not? I read through most of this thread until it started getting redundant, so please forgive me if I missed the “real” answer. One thing that came to my mind is that Vivaldi supposedly was built on an engine based on or similar to Opera. Opera has iOS. Anyway, I cannot use any desktop browser that does not sync to iOS. For me, that still remains Safari that fits all of my needs.
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@NCSilverBear Opera is 20 years older than Vivaldi, and has ten times the development staff. It, too, struggled to get an iOS version in the early days. Vivaldi team are still considering the best approach to the problem - whether to build from the ground up in WebKit (the long way, but the best calculated to arrive at a real "Vivaldi" product) or to, perhaps, merely re-brand/re-skin what would essentially still be Safari or Chrome, and lose the flexibility/essence of Vivaldi. Either way, it requires time and development staff. Brave did it, but essentially all they did was re-brand Chrome for iOS.
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@geoken I think the issue is, do the developers want a "Vivaldi" branded Safari, or actual Vivaldi, since recycling the UI elements ties their hands as to features. Edge and Brave have not tried, and will never try, to make anything as configurable as Vivaldi.
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@Ayespy said in Mobile Vivaldi for iOS:
@geoken I think the issue is, do the developers want a "Vivaldi" branded Safari, or actual Vivaldi, since recycling the UI elements ties their hands as to features. Edge and Brave have not tried, and will never try, to make anything as configurable as Vivaldi.
From my perspective, I look at my mobile browser as a companion app. It doesn't need to have the feature set of the desktop browser. It just needs to make it easy for me to continue my web browsing when I'm on mobile (and vice versa).
Of course, everyone will have a different opinion on the matter. But for me, if I'm looking some stuff up (maybe researching a product and looking at reviews and stuff) - 9 times out of 10 I will reach for Chrome. With chrome or FF I know that I can easily continue my search from the comfort of my couch on my iPad, then then next day when I'm back at my desk continue again on my laptop - seamlessly from platform to platform.
I understand the point you're making - if they can't make something unique, does it make sense to make anything at all. Obviously that's a subjective question, but I do think it makes sense even if the browser is a pixel for pixel clone of Safari. Without at least having something on Mobile, then the desktop browser - regardless of how feature packed it is - is a non starter for many.
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@armmat you could always use raindrop.io ? Its a excellent online bookmark service
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@geoken said in Mobile Vivaldi for iOS:
@Ayespy said in Mobile Vivaldi for iOS:
@geoken I think the issue is, do the developers want a "Vivaldi" branded Safari, or actual Vivaldi, since recycling the UI elements ties their hands as to features. Edge and Brave have not tried, and will never try, to make anything as configurable as Vivaldi.
From my perspective, I look at my mobile browser as a companion app. It doesn't need to have the feature set of the desktop browser. It just needs to make it easy for me to continue my web browsing when I'm on mobile (and vice versa).
Of course, everyone will have a different opinion on the matter. But for me, if I'm looking some stuff up (maybe researching a product and looking at reviews and stuff) - 9 times out of 10 I will reach for Chrome. With chrome or FF I know that I can easily continue my search from the comfort of my couch on my iPad, then then next day when I'm back at my desk continue again on my laptop - seamlessly from platform to platform.
I understand the point you're making - if they can't make something unique, does it make sense to make anything at all. Obviously that's a subjective question, but I do think it makes sense even if the browser is a pixel for pixel clone of Safari. Without at least having something on Mobile, then the desktop browser - regardless of how feature packed it is - is a non starter for many.
A pixel to pixel clone of safari with tab sync would be a gift from the Vivaldi gods. I read this forum periodically just to hear a whisper that the team is just vaguely thinking about making an app for ios.
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So now that in iOS 14, you can set 3rd party browsers as default, is there a chance that an iOS/iPadOS version of Vivaldi could come sometime in the future?
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You’re mixing two completely different things
- default browser = the web browser that’s used to open links from other apps (obviously you have to have it installed)
- browser engine = part of the browser that’s responsible for rendering the websites
- Apple requires all browsers to use the WebKit engine
There’s always a chance — IIRC even a plan. The problem is that V still has to be rebuilt on WebKit.
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@trose0928 You can only assign default browser from among those browsers that have been installed. iOS will not permit Vivaldi to be installed, because it is not built on the Apple/WebKit engine, the only engine they allow on their platform. So you can't select it, because it's not there. It's not there, because Apple excludes it.
That said, Vivaldi has plans to build (from scratch) an Apple/WebKit browser at some point in the future. It's just no possible yet.
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@Gixxa said in Vivaldi for iOS:
@16patsle said in Vivaldi for iOS:
and I expect they will just use that (Chromium) as a base
Not on iOS. iOS will always us Webkit (Safari) as an engine. So i see no benefit of Vivaldi on iOS expect for bookmarks if you use sync.
I think what they meant is Chromium iOS. The chromium project also includes the source code for their iOS port. It's the way all other Chromium based iOS browsers (new Edge, Brave, etc.) are built. https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/master/docs/ios/build_instructions.md
What it uses as the rendering engine isn't relevant, the point is that Chromium project provides an iOS browser that you can fork and build. I would assume most of the UI is reusable from Chromium Android seeing as how most Chromium iOS browsers almost completely share their UI with their android counterpart. Brave iOS looks exactly like Brave Android - including the fly over menus, etc. Same for new Edge.
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I just wanted to second the suggestion that someone else mentioned about just being able to sync tabs.
What I mean is if an iOS port is out of the realm of current possibility, even just a simple app that pulled in Bookmarks and Open Tabs/History would probably accomplish a lot of what most are asking for. Or even just a web page where I can log into and see an up to date list of the tabs open on desktop.
At the end of the day, what people really want is just to be able to continue working from one device to the other. If there was a simple way for me to be on mobile, and view the open tabs on my desktop, that would accomplish the vast majority of what I'd want from a mobile browser.
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Hello
I was almost shocked when I realized that you can only find Android under Mobile and not iOS as well. Please don't make the mistake of leaving the whole iOS world out.
You can certainly help yourself for the time being if the calendars and contacts can be synchronized via caldav and carddav. But without cardav and then no iOS support, it will be very scary!Greetings Haldex
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@Haldex, it will not be forgotten, but the problem is more Apple's restrictive policy regarding third-party browsers, with the obligation to use WebKit as an engine, which makes the development of a browser for this platform extremely difficult for a small company like Vivaldi.
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Vivaldi's Ceo Jon von Tetzchner talks about the development of Vivaldi for iOS in this interview starting at minute 19'52 '':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhkkFcEwCBo&feature=emb_title
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@Catweazle said in Do not forgett iOS!:
@Haldex, it will not be forgotten, but the problem is more Apple's restrictive policy regarding third-party browsers, with the obligation to use WebKit as an engine, which makes the development of a browser for this platform extremely difficult for a small company like Vivaldi.
Ok, I understand. But then please just carddav and that way you can work with very good existing iOS apps.
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