We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.
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That is not what Vivaldi's TOS says unless you think using the email feature as a secondary email address for client communications constitutes selling, trading, or reselling the Software or Services. Clearly you do or you're just arguing from authority as a rhetorical strategy.
It doesn't even matter anyway, vivaldi has made it clear that you do not want new users and I have already closed my account. So you do you boo.
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@TechDocX71 That's not advertising Webmail. It's the Vivaldi Mail client.
Selecting Mail on that menu displays https://vivaldi.com/features/mail/, which is the mail client.
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@TechDocX71 It's featuring the mail client, not Webmail.
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@TechDocX71 None of these have anything to do with WebMail. They are about the internally-included mail client - which you can put to use the moment you download and install the browser. I have seven email accounts set up in my Vivaldi email client.
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Ok, maybe come down to an end users level of experience for a moment.
End user opens an Office 365 Account and gets an Outlook client and Outlook.com email address as a part of the account creation process and has the expectation that they're going to be able to use the email address immediately.
End user opens a Google account and gets a Gmail client and a Gmail.com email address as a part of the account creation process and therefore has the expectation that they're going to be able to use the email address immediately and for literally every thing else they do on Google including authentication.
Same with iCloud, Zoho, etc, etc.
Then there's Vivaldi.com. The end user lands on the Vivaldi.com homepage and reads vivaldi's advertisment for their email client, so said user creates their Vivaldi.net account, generates their Vivaldi.net email address and uses said email address for literally everything on Vivaldi including authentication, browser synchronization, etc, etc but later find out that, wait for it, no webmail access to Vivaldi.net because reasons and for an indeterminate period of time.
Maybe you should have just started with telling everyone that Vivaldi.net webmail access is RSVP only for end users that don't ask too many questions or annoy the Vivaldi forum moderators or ambassadors.
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@TechDocX71 said in We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.:
Then there's Vivaldi.com. The end user lands on the Vivaldi.com homepage and reads vivaldi's advertisment for their email client
It seems there's a confusion
At .com means the built in, not the WebMail
Or where exactly you've read it?
"You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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I understand the distinction between Vivaldi.com where you host and advertise the Vivaldi web browser and the Vivaldi.net site where you create your User Profile used for browser settings and bookmark synchronization, access to the support forums and Mastadon instance.
Are you suggesting that a end user is not required to generate a Vivaldi.net email address (which they must use to authenticate to User Profile settings, browser settings, bookmark synchronization, but not web mail because reasons)? Must have missed that when I started because Vivaldi's account creation process, up to and including 2FA is identical to everyone else's account creation process until you try to setup email, end up in the support forums and getting called an angry whale for asking questions and expressing frustration at the policy your moderators and ambassadors all think is just peachy (because it doesn't affect them).
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I've not seen any WebMail reference at Vivaldi.com
As mentioned,
The Webmail situation is mentioned at the Welcome Mail received right after an account creation."You cannot know the meaning of your life until you are connected to the power that created you" · Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi
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@TechDocX71 You are talking to users here. None of us have any say on who gets webmail access. None of us have any insight on the exact actions that have to be taken to get access. It’s mysterious on purpose so you don’t hand out a guideline to potential spammers on how to acquire a
vivaldi.netaddress “in these 5 simple steps.” All you can do is be an active part of the community and mail access will follow at some point. Your chances aren’t destroyed because you ranted here, no one cares. As long as you aren’t banned it isn’t over for your account. -
@TechDocX71 said in We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.:
Are you suggesting that a end user is not required to generate a Vivaldi.net email address (which they must use to authenticate to User Profile settings, browser settings, bookmark synchronization
You don't authenticate with your email - you authenticate with your Vivaldi community account. And your account does not automatically get access to the email service.
The Vivaldi community services provided are outlined here:
https://vivaldi.net/about/
Note the Limitations Apply on the email service.but not web mail because reasons
The reasons are given in detail in the blog post linked from this topic's first post.
Basically, Vivaldi is a small company, they cannot afford to have their email service taken over by spammers and blacklisted by all the other big mail providers. And they do not have the resources to police the email service 24/7 to catch spammers. Of course, we all know Live/Hotmail, Yahoo and Gmail is rife with spammers, but MS/Google/Yahoo don't care because no-one will blacklist them anyway. And they have large teams dedicated to banning spammers doing nothing else all day.
So the email service (including webmail access) is no longer a right you get by signing up, but a privilege earned by using Vivaldi's services like a normal person and not a spammer would. The exact details of what that means is not public, for obvious reasons. Suffice to say if after a while of using the services it's clear your intention is not to send spam emails, you will gain access.
As for your intent to use Vivaldi's email for business use:
I don't think the terms of use say it's not allowed (I'd have to disagree with Edward here...)
However - would I recommend you use Vivaldi's mail for your business?
Then the answer is no. And that's just my personal opinion as a non-employee of Vivaldi.Vivaldi's email service is fine for personal use, but Vivaldi cannot guarantee the 99.999% uptime and 24/7 on-call support you might get from other providers. This "much-touted" Webmail is the decent but still quite basic open-source RoundCube email client, connected to the mail servers. Of course, once access to the email service is given, one can use any email client to connect, including Vivaldi's own Mail client, Outlook/Thunderbird and several others.
There are plenty of other providers out there offering free or tiered pay email services for professional users. Vivaldi's email service was never meant for such uses.
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Great, then don't make the first step in creating a user profile, providing your preferred email address and recovery email address and then making the user do everything in Vivaldi.net but setup their email address. It presents the impression that you're setting up an actual working email address. Maybe have one of your ambassadors berate the users during the account creation process if they ask too many questions about why they're being required to generate a Vivaldi.net email alias and provide a recovery email address for their Vivaldi.net email address when doing so does not result in them being able to setup their Vivaldi.net email address on the other side of that process.
I understand that everyone in this forum is theoretically a user and that as such, nobody has any say on what goes on the platform. I never said that this wasn't the case, I just said that some of your ambassadors are awful and I do not think ambassadors understand the term and none of this matters anyway, because the policy that I'm complaining about doesn't effect the nice folks calling other users "angry whales". Doesn't explain why you need moderators and you make the distiniction between users and "ambassadors" if there isn't some sort of hierarchy in the community.
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@TechDocX71 said in We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.:
Are you suggesting that a end user is not required to generate a Vivaldi.net email address (which they must use to authenticate to User Profile settings, browser settings, bookmark synchronization, but not web mail because reasons)?
An end user is not required, nor it is suggested or implied at any point, to generate a Vivaldi.net email address. You are actually the first user I have run across who has thought that this was the case.
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@TechDocX71 said in We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.:
I understand that everyone in this forum is theoretically a user and that as such, nobody has any say on what goes on the platform. I never said that this wasn't the case, I just said that some of your ambassadors are awful and I do not think ambassadors understand the term and none of this matters anyway, because the policy that I'm complaining about doesn't effect the nice folks calling other users "angry whales". Doesn't explain why you need moderators and you make the distinction between users and "ambassadors" if there isn't some sort of hierarchy in the community.
Ambassadors are volunteers who are enthusiastic about spreading the word about Vivaldi. Typically they are amabassadors because of things they do in RL or online in other venues, not in the Vivaldi community. They have no more status or altitude in the forum than anyone else. Sopranos are volunteers who have been invited and screened by the Vivaldi team to be internal testers of upcoming releases. The have no more status or altitude in the forum than anyone else. Moderators are here to keep the forum a non-toxic place to interact. They have the ability to move or edit or delete any comment or topic, and to eject bad actors, usually spammers (but sometimes users who can't be bothered to observe the rules). It's not a gimme to become a Soprano, and it's necessary to pass close scrutiny to become a Moderator (I've been a user since Jan 2015, but was only invited to interview to be a mod in 2016)
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🪲 Hardware keys + Passkey
Let us talk about the need of 2FA with
- modern hardware keys (f.ex. Feitan or Nitrokey)
- Passkey
Still not working for users.
I know about issues as i reported them.
Nothing found about hardware restrictions at https://help.vivaldi.com/services/account/two-factor-authentication/I have no problem to use login without 2FA here, but as other freemailers work with modern 2FA hardware, why not at Vivaldi,net? Too few users using 2FA with hardware keys?
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@Zalex108 said in We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.:
@TechDocX71 said in We’ve rolled out Two-Factor Authentication for Vivaldi accounts and a new reputation system for Vivaldi Webmail access.:
Then there's Vivaldi.com. The end user lands on the Vivaldi.com homepage and reads vivaldi's advertisment for their email client
It seems there's a confusion
At .com means the built in, not the WebMailOr where exactly you've read it?
thats referring to the email client built into Vivaldi nothnng to do with webmail or vivaldi.net email
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@mikeyb2001 Most users mixup Vivaldi Webmail (the mail account) with Vivaldi Mail (the mail client), and some users do not read all on Vivaldi pages.
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@DoctorG i know thats why i offered clarification on the subject
