Why does Vivaldi not sync regulary?

mib2berlin

@felagund
I am on Linux and Window 11, maybe @daniel can clear this up.
Thanks for the request.

Cheers, mib

daniel

The maximum delay is one hour per client. However, with real bad luck, two clients can sync at the end and start of an hour — causing an almost two hour delay. This is clearly ridiculous.

We will be rolling out near instant Sync soon. I cannot commit to a time frame, but I can say that the bulk of the required work has already been completed.

DoctorG

@daniel Nice that you shared information about sync delays.

felagund

@daniel Great to hear this will be fixed eventually. Is the one hour delay taken from calendar time or app-use time? I would expect that when I do not use the device for an hour and then I open Vivaldi, it immediatelly synces. It is not what seemsto be happening on my side (see above).

Unless, only the "Last synced" on mobile's "Synced" tab is not reliable. Just now I opened my phone (I have used it plenty today, as I did my computer) and it was showing "Synced one day ago". After about 5 seconds, it switched to "Synced now". No sync tabs visibly changed, but I think they stayed the same anyway on the visible part of the screen. Can it be that it is syncing and just the infor about when syncing happened only updates when the sync tab is opened? Though I think that is not what has been happening.

daniel

@felagund The one-hour delay is a calendar-time schedule from the client session start time. On mobile, this is complicated somewhat by the application life-cycle (background-resume/foreground/cold-start). Force stopping and restarting on all platforms will always force Sync to update.

This is obviously not how it should work. We hope to ship near instant Sync soon. With near instant Sync, you should not ever have to think about Sync or notice any delays (no more than maaaybe up to 8–10 seconds delay on a bad day in bad weather on a bad network between two slow devices).

felagund

@daniel said in Why does Vivaldi not sync regulary?:

This is obviously not how it should work. We hope to ship near instant Sync soon. With near instant Sync, you should not ever have to think about Sync or notice any delays (no more than maaaybe up to 8–10 seconds delay on a bad day in bad weather on a bad network between two slow devices).

That sounds perfect! I will not dig into my issues now then and wait for this improvement, as I assume that is a major overhaul how it all works and it should get rid of my current issues (where I think the delay is even more than 2 hours quite often but indeed can be caused by things like battery saver on Android and what not, no need to dwell in to it).

sschmidhuber

Hello @daniel,

I still have sync issues on my devices (Linux <--> Android). This is actually not rocket science and should have high priority to fix.
So are you guys going to solve this soon or am I better off with a Notes app with working synchronization?

Thank you for your feedback!

BR Stefan

mib2berlin

@sschmidhuber
Hi, what do you meant with issues?
Vivaldi sync does not work immediately, they don't have the $$$ of Google or Microsoft.
You can trigger the sync manually if needed, open vivaldi://sync-internals and hit the button Trigger GetUpdate.
I have this page as a speed dial.

Cheers, mib

sschmidhuber

Hello @mib2berlin

thank you, well the manual triggered sync works. The issue was that my notes didn't sync, which of course makes the whole notes feature useless.
Is it possible to trigger the sync when opening the Notes? Or at least move the sync button into the regular UI?

I'm testing now the delay for auto sync, but I think it took multiple days or didn't work at all.

BR Stefan

mib2berlin

@sschmidhuber
The auto sync should work in max. one hour or if you restart Vivaldi.
There is a way to add an icon for triggering on desktop manually but it is a bit complicated with a java script and a command chain.
If I can find it again I will post it here.

Cheers, mib.

mib2berlin

I found the script but I don't know the author and how the command chain work. I had one but this doesn't work anymore.
This is the Sync.js script:

// Sync
// version 2023.1.0
// Custom page action for use in a command chain. Triggers the update button on
// the internal sync page.

(function () {
  document.getElementById("trigger-refresh").click();
})();

Maybe @nomadic or @Pathduck can remember or know how this work.

luetage

@mib2berlin ☛ https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/639940
And it works, I’m still using it.

mib2berlin

@luetage
Thank you very much, I copied the file to /resources/vivaldi not to user_files.
It would be good if the script developer add there user name to the scripts, much easier to find the page then.
I searched for sync button script but cant find it.
@sschmidhuber
Please check the link from @luetage and if you have questions ask in this thread, please.

Cheers, mib

luetage

@mib2berlin Usually there’s a link back to the forum page in my scripts, page actions are the exception. When you search with sync page action command chain it’s the second hit.

daniel

@sschmidhuber said in Why does Vivaldi not sync regulary?:

I still have sync issues on my devices (Linux <--> Android). This is actually not rocket science and should have high priority to fix.
So are you guys going to solve this soon or am I better off with a Notes app with working synchronization?

This is in the final stages of testing now. I expect fast and responsive sync to roll out soon, but I can’t promise an exact date. However, as a Scandinavian company, most of our employees have the entire month of July off for summer vacation. So, it won’t be this month.

felagund

@daniel said in Why does Vivaldi not sync regulary?:

However, as a Scandinavian company, most of our employees have the entire month of July off for summer vacation.

I just love that, I hope they rest well!

sschmidhuber

Hello @daniel,

thank you for your response, with the manual triggered sync, as suggested by others in this thread, I can wait a bit longer for the fix to be released.

However, just for the record, the automatic sync takes way longer than only two hours, as stated in this thread. I tested it on my devices, a change didn't get synced from Android to Linux in more than 16h. The manual trigger worked.

So I'm using the manual trigger as workaround and looking forward to the fix. Thank you!

BR Stefan

Veddu

For the first time, I have experienced this issue between iOS and MacOS. The sync settings for MacOS were up to date, but the tabs synced from Mac OS to iOS were last synced 7 hours ago.

I'm glad a fix is on its way though!

creeve4

This is in the final stages of testing now. I expect fast and responsive sync to roll out soon, but I can’t promise an exact date. However, as a Scandinavian company, most of our employees have the entire month of July off for summer vacation. So, it won’t be this month.

Is this really true? I keep seeing new features rolled out, but it would be even better to get a fix for sync...

I don't really care about a fancy new settings menu, I just want sync that actually works please.

Ayespy

@creeve4 said in Why does Vivaldi not sync regulary?:

Is this really true?

Yes, it is. Faster, more responsive sync is in testing. I, for one, am testing it.