Vivaldi Feed Reader: Break free from the algorithm
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@barbudo2005 said in Vivaldi Feed Reader: Break free from the algorithm:
Following the line of your recommendation it is best to search in the "Page source" for the words RSS, FEED, or ATOM to obtain the exact URL of the Feed.
I wasn't sure how that was supposed to work, so I checked and it doesn't...!
The point is that you don't get the feed version of the page until you instruct the server to send it by adding "rss" to the address!
Verified with two wesbites where I know this works:
https://www.theguardian.com/europe
If you view the page source with CTRL-U then there's no mention of RSS.
If you add "/rss" at the end then you get a personal RSS feed generated for you by the server.
(And it works for any subindex you go to within the site, e.g. https://www.metronieuws.nl/lifestyle/tech/ or https://www.theguardian.com/culture)
I expect these sites could be generated with the same publishing software. The Guardian website mentions the RSS-generating module somewhere, so I tested it on Metro when I was looking for a feed for Dutch news.
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I mentioned it as a better alternative than adding RSS at the end, since this does not always work, and of course the one I mentioned does not always work either.
Let's see this example on the site https://www.df.cl:
If you search for RSS in the source page you get:
A more complex URL of the feed impossible to guess.
In fact Feedbro normally finds the feed of the sites, in this case it does not find it.
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@lonm: It literally feeds you, you'd better start swallowing. You don’t want to go upset our industrial overlords. But I get where you’re coming from. How about
CIS: Curated Information Stream
PCU: Propaganda Channel Updates
PMC: Personal Media Collector
ONH: Open News Hole -
It seems that the Feed Reader is fraught with duplicate entries all too often, AND it seems to slow Vivaldi down, also**. Feedly works very well for me, for now.
**unless these things have been addressed very recently
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A FeedReader has been a must for me for more than a decade. The Vivaldi feed reader is not yet as powerful as the old Opera(12) feed reader, but it is an excellent compromise and a long-awaited feature.
Nevertheless, there is one annoying feature of the reader: If the focus is on the feed, not the individual item, the feed reader deletes the entire feed without asking and without a backup. In my opinion, this is a UI bug if this behaviour cannot be switched off.
With the old Opera, the behaviour was like this:
Delete deleted the item, even if you had previously clicked on the feed, the focus was immediately on the first item. If you actually wanted to delete the feed, you were asked whether you wanted to do so and deleting it deactivated the feed and deleted the items. You could still reactivate the feed via the feed management or delete it completely there.
Oh yes: and folders wouldn't be bad - but that should already be in the pipeline
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@barbudo2005 unfortunately, there's something very weird going on for me at your example since I can't actually read the source with CTRL-U (or even get a right-click context menu). I'll take your word for it.
However, I now see that your case describes a different tip to see if you can get RSS for sites where my tip doesn't work (and I know my tip will only work for a few websites).
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@spriggins said in Vivaldi Feed Reader: Break free from the algorithm:
A FeedReader has been a must for me for more than a decade. The Vivaldi feed reader is not yet as powerful as the old Opera(12) feed reader, but it is an excellent compromise and a long-awaited feature.
Nevertheless, there is one annoying feature of the reader: If the focus is on the feed, not the individual item, the feed reader deletes the entire feed without asking and without a backup. In my opinion, this is a UI bug if this behaviour cannot be switched off.
With the old Opera, the behaviour was like this:
Delete deleted the item, even if you had previously clicked on the feed, the focus was immediately on the first item. If you actually wanted to delete the feed, you were asked whether you wanted to do so and deleting it deactivated the feed and deleted the items. You could still reactivate the feed via the feed management or delete it completely there.
Oh yes: and folders wouldn't be bad - but that should already be in the pipeline
You're descrbing exactly the UI quirks I mentioned earlier in the thread!
- focus is all wrong (especially when using keyboard)
- no confirmation dialogue to delete a whole feed!
I've been complaining about these for so many years that I don't know any more if bug reports were filed for them... I would expect so, they're so annoying!
My other two bugbears are:
- too many duplicate articles appearing
- no option to see the article in the message window - instead you have to click a stupid button (with mouse) every time - maybe not a good idea to load hundreds of webpages every day but something like a simple key-press to download the page in the mail view, or an option to download automatically if left open for five seconds
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@mossman
VB-87440 "[RSS] The user should be prompted when deleting a feed" - Confirmed, dev assigned, no progress.Keyboard access? No good in Vivaldi Mail UI
I do not use Vivaldi Mail for work.
And i tested Vivaldi Feeds now and saw the feed was deleted without getting moved to a trash. Not good as keaboard users can accidentally hit Del. -
Another alternative if the above suggestions fail is to use the webpage Feedly to find the URL feed, you can sign up with a fake email.
Feedly has helped me find the feed URL in difficult cases.
You search for the site name and follow the feed:
In More options:
Go to the end and click More settings:
And you obtain the URL:
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@mossman said in Vivaldi Feed Reader: Break free from the algorithm:
@barbudo2005 unfortunately, there's something very weird going on for me at your example since I can't actually read the source with CTRL-U (or even get a right-click context menu). I'll take your word for it.
However, I now see that your case describes a different tip to see if you can get RSS for sites where my tip doesn't work (and I know my tip will only work for a few websites).
Coincidentally, one of my feeds was just showing errors in the mail console, so I went to the website main page (I think it's been updated), added /rss - and it's another one that works...
(Also, it's another one where there's no mention of feeds on the page or in the page source.)
Edit: the server automagically changed my added suffix from /rss to /feed when generating the link in Vivaldi - maybe that's another option to try in future (along with /atom).
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Anyone with loss or corruption of Vivaldi Feeds can look here: Lost or Corrupted Feed Mitigation for possible relief.
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Hi, I do like what you do and I'm a big fan of Vivaldi. But I've been using Feedly for way too long (and before that Google Reader) and I'd love if Vivaldi could support Feedly, meaning my feeds from Feedly would appear in Vivaldi's feed reader and reading them in Vivaldi would update them in Feedly. What do you say, please?
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There are so many things Vivaldi team could add to and/or improve in their feed reader. It's great that we have the feed reader in Vivaldi but it could be so much better. I'd suggest looking at some well known feed readers (e.g. FeedMe from Android) to find out what and how could be done better. Other users here and in Vivaldi forums already mentioned many features and bug fixes they would welcome. Keep on improving, please. Kudos and many thanks!
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@martinko I agree that more needs to be done - it feels like they put together a feeds tech demo as part of the mail module but then never developed that into more than a public alpha version.
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@mossman Said:
it feels like they put together a feeds tech demo as part of the mail module but then never developed that into more than a public alpha version.
After writing that, are you going to take the bull by the horns and use Feedbro, or are you going to keep waiting for the built-in Feed reader to become what you expect it to be?
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@barbudo2005 no I'm going to continue with Vivaldi because I love self punishment.
(But really because I can live with the minor UI annoyances and hope they'll get round to noticing them one day)
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In my stable Vivaldi 6.5.3206.61 the feed does not work, has that been reported yet?
It was broken about 3 versions ago.
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@LonM said in Vivaldi Feed Reader: Break free from the algorithm:
I wish we had a better, more human, catch-all term with a verb and noun that could apply generally to all feed types.
"Enjoy media," maybe?
