Extremely slow performance since upgrade
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@DoctorG said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@Viking872 Why GPU matters, because broken interaction with drivers it can cause slowdown of UI adn web page rendering.
But people can also configure Vivaldi to simply use the built-in Intel or AMD GPU right? So they can avoid using the Nvidia GPU, but I haven't read all the thread. I do have to say that after PC reset and reinstall of Vivaldi 6.5, it has become quite snappy, even after 24 to 48 hours. So I wonder if data corruption plays a role, after you upgrade several times. But if this doesn't happen with other browsers like Edge and Firefox, it's not acceptable of course.
Vivaldi browser is quite resilient. I have updated both stable and snapshot builds many times over a longer period of time without them performing less.
Do you tinker a lot with your Windows installation at large?
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Hi, maybe this setting gets lost in this thread, on newer CPU Vivaldi and other apps switch to Eco mode.
It doesn't matter on my systems but other user report a huge performance impact.
Add--disable-features=UseEcoQoSForBackgroundProcess
to your Vivaldi desktop shortcut.
Cheers, mib -
Hi,
I've been using Vivaldi for years and never had any major problems but over the past few weeks it really suffers from instability. The whole window will freeze randomly for a minute or two, gets redrawn (turns while and back before coming back to normal), and after recovering page scrolling will become very choppy, assuming it won't crash a few seconds later again.I'm on 6.5.3206.55, Windows 11 23H2, Ryzen 7 5800X, AMD RX 7900 XTX, Samsung 980 Pro. OS and all drivers fully up to date. No other problems with my computer whatsoever.
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@protofik
Hi, this sounds like a render engine crash, Vivaldi freeze but bit is a crash you don't notice.
Disable the hardware acceleration in System > Webpages to test this.
Maybe you will find crash logs, check:https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/troubleshoot/reporting-crashes-on-windows/
Cheers, mib
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@EricJH said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Vivaldi browser is quite resilient. I have updated both stable and snapshot builds many times over a longer period of time without them performing less. Do you tinker a lot with your Windows installation at large?
Good to hear that according to you, performance problems should not be caused by upgrades. And I have recently performed a PC reset, and I don't believe I have changed any settings that should affect browser performance.
@mib2berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Hi, maybe this setting gets lost in this thread, on newer CPU Vivaldi and other apps switch to Eco mode.> It doesn't matter on my systems but other user report a huge performance impact. Add --disable-features=UseEcoQoSForBackgroundProcess to your Vivaldi desktop shortcut.
Yes I tried it a while back, but it didn't really seemed to help. But as said before, I do believe Vivaldi 6.5 has become more snappy than 6.4, I now only have to restart it after about 2 days. But what also seems to play a role is the amount of tabs that you open.
And I wonder if Vivaldi will ever fix the problem with hanging in memory after close, this really is unacceptable, seems to be a major bug. I keep having to kill Vivaldi, because Vivaldi's parent process keeps hanging. I read that Thorium is one of the fastest Chromium browsers, perhaps Vivaldi's developer team should take a look at it, to see how it's optimized.
https://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Browsers/Thorium-Browser.shtml
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@RasheedHolland
Hi, on my Windows 11 and Linux installs, in total 12, no process stay open if I close Vivaldi.
Did you check chrome://settings/system if background apps are enabled?
Extensions does this but you see a Vivaldi process in the task manager.
I test Thorium, no difference on my system, as fast as other Chromium browser in practice.Cheers, mib
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@mib2berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
Hi, on my Windows 11 and Linux installs, in total 12, no process stay open if I close Vivaldi.
Did you check chrome://settings/system if background apps are enabled?
Extensions does this but you see a Vivaldi process in the task manager.
I test Thorium, no difference on my system, as fast as other Chromium browser in practice.Cheers, mib
Vivaldi never hangs on my system if I have only a few tabs open and if Vivaldi hasn't been in memory for long. As soon as hours go by and I open more tabs, then Vivaldi will refuse to close normally. I NEVER had this problem with Vivaldi 6.1, it all started with 6.4 and sadly enough it hasn't been fixed in 6.5. Plus ''the run apps in background'' feature has always been disabled. I also performed a PC reset and Viv 6.5 has been freshly reinstalled.
I also don't see how any extension can cause this problem, I still use the same extensions as on Viv 6.1, of course some of them have updated to newer versions, but I doubt they play a role. I also don't use any new security software (Windows Defender and SpyShelter). What I can try is to test Vivaldi 6.1 (which is still installed as standalone), I'm willing to bet it won't hang in memory with the exact same extensions.
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Hi,
Despite V was freshly installed, did you Sync'd at the beginning, or tried on a Clean Profile for a while so noticed that?If not,
Create a Clean Profile and navigate for a while from there.Also,
Haven't seen you System Specs, do I missed?Add it of not.
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@RasheedHolland
A clean profile meant no extensions all settings default.
The setting ''apps in background'' is enabled by default.
I have a test session with 400 tabs with the last stable, it close in one second and no process left even I run it for days.
Extensions cause 80% of all issues in Vivaldi, 10% is user fault, 10% are real bugs, this is my experience in 8 Years of using Vivaldi and the forum.
And ... this always happen after an update of Vivaldi.
Maybe an extension work with an old Vivaldi version, it jumps 5 or 6 Chromium versions since then. -
Also,
Who tested this?
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@Zalex108 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Hi,
Despite V was freshly installed, did you Sync'd at the beginning, or tried on a Clean Profile for a while so noticed that? Haven't seen you System Specs, do I missed?No, I don't use the Sync feature because it doesn't support 2FA yet. I don't think system specs play a role, because like I said, I have been using Vivaldi since v2, never had something like this until Vivaldi 6.4, which also had serious performance problems. But I can of course try to use Viv 6.6 snapshot without any extensions (clean profile) and see how things go. I suppose I can still import my bookmarks right?
@mib2berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
Extensions cause 80% of all issues in Vivaldi, 10% is user fault, 10% are real bugs, this is my experience in 8 Years of using Vivaldi and the forum. And ... this always happen after an update of Vivaldi. Maybe an extension work with an old Vivaldi version, it jumps 5 or 6 Chromium versions since then.
OK, so you still think it's an extension? If they can cause problems simply because Vivaldi upgrades to a newer Chromium version, this is quite a huge problem. Because obviously, I'm not going to stop using certain extensions, unless Vivaldi adds certain features.
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@RasheedHolland
I can understand this, the problem is Chrome extensions are developed for Chrome and tested in Chrome.
Many work in Vivaldi but other can cause Vivaldi crash, lost user data and so forth.
I remember Minimal Theme for Twitter/X" extension:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/93677/vivaldi-lost-all-my-settings-after-restarting-for-an-update
Nobody can think of extensions can do this but they do. -
To test on a Clean Profile is the first step always, otherwise you spend time trying secondary things.
If still on a Clean and HW/A doesn't make any difference, then is valid to report it.Many problems are, as mentioned, Profile things.
Regarding the Extensions and Upgrades,
Many things would change from one version to another so Extensions would be affected.Since Chrome and V are not exactly the same despite they share base Chromium, some extensions might work for Chrome since Devs update to its code but need a report if doesn't in Vivaldi or another Browser.
So finding those Extension and reporting to its Dev it's the way.
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@Zalex108 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
To test on a Clean Profile is the first step always, otherwise you spend time trying secondary things.
If still on a Clean and HW/A doesn't make any difference, then is valid to report it.Many problems are, as mentioned, Profile things.
Regarding the Extensions and Upgrades,
Many things would change from one version to another so Extensions would be affected.That's what I meant, that after upgrading sometimes your profile can get corrupted causing Vivaldi to act weirdly while loading websites for example. But now I'm already on a new install that has never been upgraded, so a corrupted profile can't be the problem. Also, how come Vivaldi doesn't hang in memory if it hasn't been active in memory for that long? So this means that extensions most likely don't play a role, since they are always active.
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@mib2berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
I can understand this, the problem is Chrome extensions are developed for Chrome and tested in Chrome. Many work in Vivaldi but other can cause Vivaldi crash, lost user data and so forth.I remember Minimal Theme for Twitter/X" extension:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/93677/vivaldi-lost-all-my-settings-after-restarting-for-an-update
Nobody can think of extensions can do this but they do.Yes, of course extensions might sometimes cause problems, for example with the correct loading of websites. But hanging in memory is something that I have never seen on any browser, that's why I'm so skeptical. And how to proof this, perhaps I can use Vivaldi's task manager? But I suppose the task manager will also get closed when closing Vivaldi.
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@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
how come Vivaldi doesn't hang in memory if it hasn't been active in memory for that long? So this means that extensions most likely don't play a role, since they are always active.
I don't get that.
But,
The result on a Clean Profile usually determines where is the problem, despite there are 2 more things:HW/A is ative by default, as mentioned by Mib2Berlin
Active Flags affect that Profile except you did it from a Modied ShortCutso,
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@mib2berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
A clean profile meant no extensions all settings default. The setting ''apps in background'' is enabled by default.@Zalex108 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
how come Vivaldi doesn't hang in memory if it hasn't been active in memory for that long? So this means that extensions most likely don't play a role, since they are always active.
I don't get that.
I forgot to mention that I always disable this setting, at least the last year because I know Edge will always stay in memory, so I also do this with Vivaldi. However, Edge doesn't really hang in memory, it simply doesn't want to close, probably because it's spyware.
But with Vivaldi, it really tries to close, but the Vivaldi parent process can't close all child processes, it's for some reason struggling, and you will see that the parent process uses 12% of the CPU. And this only happens with a lot of tabs open and if it has been in memory for at least 1 hour.
Like some other user reported, I'm sure it will eventually close, with him it happened after 10 minutes. So it seems an awful lot like some design error in Vivaldi, but on the other hand, many people don't have this problem.
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I don't have that behaviour on +/- 6 machines
Do you use OneDrive?
IIRC, some times at work if OneDrive starts, since V is located on a place which is BackedUp, it works some weird.If you need to close it with force, you can use:
Win+R or CMD
TaskKill /F /IM Vivaldi.exe /T
There's a risk of loosing data, despite the few times I've need, nothing got lost nor corrupted.
You can check it on a Clean Profile
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@RasheedHolland
This is really strange, Edge does not stay in memory, it starts automatically in the background id you don't disable this.
Open task manager and check autostart,, disabled Edge.
Maybe Vivaldi is in autostart too but it should not. -
@Zalex108 said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
I don't have that behaviour on +/- 6 machines
Do you use OneDrive?
IIRC, some times at work if OneDrive starts, since V is located on a place which is BackedUp, it works some weird.No, I always disable OneDrive, it's crap. And you don't have this behavior on 6+ machines, so that's why I can't say for sure it's a design error. However, after PC reset and reinstall of Vivaldi, I had expected that this problem would have been solved. So who knows, perhaps it's some extension after all.
@mib2berlin said in Extremely slow performance since upgrade:
@RasheedHolland
This is really strange, Edge does not stay in memory, it starts automatically in the background id you don't disable this. Open task manager and check autostart,, disabled Edge. > Maybe Vivaldi is in autostart. too but it should not.Edge will stay in memory if you don't disable the ''keep running apps in background'' option on my machine. I was actually disgusted by Edge, after PC reset it automatically upgraded to the newest version, and it has become way worse, but fair enough, you can disable most of the annoying features. And to my surprise it even has mouse gestures, didn't expect this.