Workspaces | Benefits?

DoctorG · 28 May 2023, 08:45

@xanathon If you are brave uninstall 6.0 Stable, install 6.1 Snapshot which has a fix [ Warning: you can not downgrade after this without dataloss!].

xanathon · 28 May 2023, 10:16

@DoctorG I am not willing to install an unstable snapshot and change to the unstable branch (mostly because of potential other bugs I will get with doing that). The fix has to be rolled out to stable.

DoctorG · 28 May 2023, 10:19

@xanathon said in Workspaces????:

not willing to install an unstable snapshot and change to the unstable branch (mostly because of potential other bugs

I understand this, could be more a risk than a fix for you.

The fix has to be rolled out to stable.

I agree.

gitmurf · 30 May 2023, 23:43

I am new to Vivaldi and having same issue and quite shocked that the team would allow such a bad bug to persist in the “stable” version for 6+ weeks now. I am very close to going back to Edge after just a few days. I have spent hours upon hours trying to setup and re-setup workspaces and a bunch of tabs and stacks and I continue to have these issues.

I very much hope the Vivaldi team thinks about making an official announcement / response / explanations for the issues and the lack of patching Stable branch in a reasonable amount of time. This is quite shocking especially with a feature that is turned on by default and has had a lot of videos and social media posts about (workspaces). At minimum the team could have disabled workspaces by default and warned the user if they turn it on that there are unresolved issues being investigated. Very unfortunate… I now have to make the decision whether I want to invest fully switching to Vivaldi and risk this kind of things happening again down the road.

Overall my biggest frustration is in the lack of transparency and communication from the team when a large bug like this persists in the Stable branch for over 6 weeks.

iandrzej · 1 Jun 2023, 23:49

Having all tabs revert to the top workspace every time I restart is agonizing. I shouldn't have to spend a minute organizing when I open my web browser. How is this still an issue?

mib2berlin · 6 Feb 2023, 04:29

@iandrzej
Hi, the problem of this issue is nobody from the tester and developer team can reproduce this in a clean profile.
I have 12 Vivaldi installs and never had this issue and I test workspaces for month now.
Create a new profile, close all tabs, change nothing, install nothing.
Create 2-3 workspaces with a handful of tabs, restart this profile.
You have to enable "Last Session" if you may not know:

Cheers, mib
@gitmurf @iandrzej may you check the post of @yesname about broken session files:
https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/83969/workspaces/69

tifutu · 3 Jun 2023, 12:25

I experienced this problem recently.
I have seemingly managed to resolve the issue by disabling all my extensions :

1Password
Dark Reader
Decentraleyes
Save to Pocket
uBlock Origin

I then moved only a few tabs into various Workspaces, closed Vivaldi and relaunched it.
Any moved tabs now remained in their respective Workspaces.

At this point, I systematically moved a few tabs at a time, enabling one extension at a time and rebooting Vivaldi each time until all extensions were enabled and for some reason my tabs have remained in their respective Workspaces.

For context, I had over 100 tabs spread across 9 Workspaces.

The only other thing that I changed and didn't independently test, was disabling "Always Load Pinned Tabs."

Hope this helps.

xanathon · 6 Apr 2023, 09:43

@mib2berlin said in Workspaces????:

@iandrzej
Hi, the problem of this issue is nobody from the tester and developer team can reproduce this in a clean profile.

That makes no sense. Why is said that there already is a fix in the dev branch (https://forum.vivaldi.net/post/662319) and now you claim it cannot be reproduced? That does not work out - one or the other.

Besides: Saying "we cannot reproduce it" is always a very bad support or dev answer, especially if lots of people report that problem. I have five Vivaldi instances on three computers having the same setup and the same addons and two of the five (on different computers) have that problem. "Last Session" is enabled on all of them.

It is a dealbreaker and needs to be adressed, especially after this feature was advertised in such a "loud" way as a great new feature. While it was not production ready. This now goes on for months without a solution.

mib2berlin · 4 Jun 2023, 10:50

@xanathon
Hi, I don´t know about this bug, maybe @Hadden89 have the bug number.
It´s not I don´t believe user report this there are a lot of reports about.
One user fix this with removing a broken session file, one with stop using a PWA.
How should a developer reproduce this?
I wish I could reproduce that, it would be a lot easier.

Cheers, mib

xanathon · 6 Apr 2023, 14:15

@mib2berlin I am a dev myself. If multiple users report a bug (as is the case here) I cannot simply say "I cannot reproduce this", I have to find a way to fix that bug. As I said: On page one of this thread it is said that a fix is already in the unstable branch and I wonder why this is not rolled out to stable? This bug is highly annoying.

DoctorG · 6 Apr 2023, 14:40

@xanathon said in Workspaces????:

If multiple users report a bug (as is the case here) I cannot simply say "I cannot reproduce this", I have to find a way to fix that bug.

Depends on how complete these reports are.
A bug for Vvialdi gets a "Can not reproduce" if f.ex. found in a Stable and not reproducible in a internal Nightly or Snapshot version. Bug are not closed because we testers are funny or lazy.
We all try the best to check it.

@xanathon said in Workspaces????:

why this is not rolled out to stable?

May be because the code differs too much between Stable and Snapshot. Or lack of spare time. I do not know.

I agree that Workspaces in Stable are sort of a experimental feature.
I am not a Vivaldi fangirl. I can rant and criticise Vivaldi bugs, too, sometimes in a harsh way.

DoctorG · 6 Apr 2023, 14:34

@xanathon said in Workspaces????:

On page one of this thread it is said that a fix is already in the unstable branch

I do not know which fixed was mentioned months ago. Tell us or ask the person who poste it!

xanathon · 4 Jun 2023, 14:45

@DoctorG I already linked to it above.

DoctorG · 6 Apr 2023, 14:56

@xanathon OK. Ruarí, QA team member, said that this issue will be investigated, and i remember that i told many users since invention of Workspaces that loss of tabs or tab mess is a known issue and devs were investigating.

I have no information why a fix from 6.1 Snapshot could not be backported to Stable. And related to a NDA i am not allowed to talk about all.

I hope your disappointed mood can be calmed.
We have all our pet bugs, some are sort of ugly cockroaches.

Hadden89 · 6 Apr 2023, 15:46

@DoctorG perhaps:

[Workspaces] Can become empty (VB-96594) from 3001.3 (never had issues since then, so I kept this build)
[Workspaces] Deleting a workspace creates an empty restored workspace (VB-97833) from 3035.12

Latest snap has other workspaces fixes, but the more stable snapshot is still 3001 imho; also no issues with extensions

DoctorG · 4 Jun 2023, 15:01

@Hadden89 Thanks, i checked this now; the related Master bug was VB-96594 from April 2023 with 6.0 Stable.

mib2berlin · 5 Jun 2023, 04:37

@xanathon
Hi, can you check if you have running background apps enabled?
open chrome://settings/system
I have this setting always disabled but somehow it was enabled and I get a different workspace bug (already reported).
I now remember one user report the same for the bug you and others reported, all tabs are moved to the default window after Vivaldi restart.

Cheers, mib

enc0re · 5 Jun 2023, 09:14

@mib2berlin said in Workspaces????:

Hi, the problem of this issue is nobody from the tester and developer team can reproduce this in a clean profile.

I see for years recommendations here in forum, that create new clean profile and it will fix bugs, or not reproducible in clean profile as you mentioned. And that's the problem.

Testing on always clean profile is not good.
Profile and configuration system should be written, that it won't corrupt in regular way (unless disk failure or similar HW failure). Randomly. Yes, yes, there is no bugfree software (I was hobby C# "dev"), but some parts of software must 'just work'.

Here we see almost daily, "your profile is corrupted you have to create new profile" or, "test it with new profile". Sorry, but this is bad. User doesn't mess with those files, only browser access them. I don't have time, nor I don't want to create new profile to "fix" the bug.

Fortunately I don't need those for me useless features, and I'm disabling them right away.

DoctorG · 5 Jun 2023, 09:21

@enc0re said in Workspaces????:

Testing on always clean profile is not good.

Well, users will not give us their used profiles to test the issue.

Profile and configuration system should be written, that it won't corrupt in regular way

I agree.
Chromium is spreading too much settings and data into man files and databases. But the time of editable config files as in Opera 12 or other older programs is gone.

I hate broken profile data as such disaster cause much work to investigate whats wrong and which files have to be restored.

Davy49 · 5 Jun 2023, 14:11

@mariolfh said in Workspaces????:

Hello. I came looking for answers and yeah, I have the exact same bug. I have a lot of tabs, some for reading later, others for investigations and so. I created 5 workspaces to keep everything organized and keep my mind centered on one thing. As I close the Vivaldi window, and re-open it, i get some of the tabs back on the main workspace, which i would hope could be eliminated, but it's stuck with 1 new tab all the time.

I got a way around it. When I close my window, I go to the tab bar and exit Vivaldi, when I open it again, it's all as i left it. But today i closed normally, and opened, some were back on the main workspace, it's never all of them in my case, and i closed it again and opened and i had almost all the tabs in the main workspace. I was looking and it's just random tabs, i don't see a pattern anywhere.

I hope this information helps anyone. It clearly sounds like a bug, and I know Vivaldi will solve it. Have a great day, reader, and thanks for reading until here. Blessings

Hi,
At least for me I find it so nice to see a user like myself use the word "Blessings ", some people don't seem to realize just how blessed they really are.