Request for Manifest V3 implementation in Chromium could result in breaking AdBlockers
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@luetage Still not a nice news.
I'll find my way in thismessenhanced API, but if the webrequest is "locked for non enterprises" only very few browsers will have it.
Actually now I'm curious to see how browsers/extension developers will handle this matter and to know the actual deadline of webrequest API in mainstream chromium. Some calls to the it could be possible, looking at the V3 draft so, only time knows. -
Well it would seem it is time to elevate all Vivaldi users to "Executive" status so it can be bypassed.
This may turn out to be in the interest of all the non google chromium browsers if they also decide to unlock the enterprise functionality.
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@Dr-Flay The problem is that enterprise function could mean paid google API which is not under BSD licence.
Something like brave/mozilla could be implemented but we probably need an our store - as most chrome extensions will stop to support/use webrequest api even if still accessible. -
Vivaldi really needs to make a clear statement on how they plan to address this since it will be in Chrome 88, which is right around the corner.
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@AlienProber Sure. Otherwise I have to look for a different browser. But which one?
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On this topic also here:
Luckily we have the Vivaldi tracker and ad blocker :🍀 Before you ask, use Vivaldi Help (F1🍀Search Engine Collection🍀My Themes🍀Windows11 24H2🍀Samsung Galaxy A55 5G Android 14🍀
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@guigirl said in The Register article on latest Manifest v3 status.:
@stardepp said in The Register article on latest Manifest v3 status.:
the Vivaldi tracker and ad blocker
Uh. It is much better to have it than not, yes fair enough. However i'm afraid it is unrealistic to think that what we currently have in V [purely a list-based tool] is in any way comparable to the extreme power we have atm with the dynamic-filter user-configurability rules-based control in uMatrix, & to a lesser extent uBO. It might be hard for anyone not yet familiar with those extensions to visualise this, if they're only used to a static list paradigm, but seriously it is chalk & cheese.
EXACTLY!
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@stardepp said in The Register article on latest Manifest v3 status.:
On this topic also here: Luckily we have the Vivaldi tracker and ad blocker :I know I was VERY clear in my wording. I did not ask for links to articles. I SPECIFICALLY Valdi really needs to make a clear statement on how they plan to address this since it will be in Chrome 88.
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@jochen01 If uMatrix (or uBlock in advanced mode) is a must-have for you, and if uMatrix stops working in Vivaldi: I'd reluctantly suggest Firefox. Firefox isn't Chromium-based,
so uM should keep working there. And Firefox, while not Vivaldi, does have a lot more customizability then Chrome.But I hesitate to suggest Firefox, because I don't know how secure it is. My understanding is: Firefox security was pretty bad, compared to Chrome. But that might have changed with Firefox's Quantum update.
Edit: Well, I've seen signs that even Firefox may stop working with uM. But Waterfox might still work with uM, even if that happens. Waterfox is a fork of Firefox, that keeps old things Firefox dropped.
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@Eggcorn Firefox has been my only browser before using Vivaldi. In terms of security: A good combination of brain 1.0 with the mentioned add-ons is secure enough for me.
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@guigirl That's what I'm afraid of too…
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@guigirl I wondered too if V3 would prevent these kind of extension from working properly as I expect evil of all sorts from G. But really I'm not sure about that. Anyway, this damned crap will be quite challenging. Sigh
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@guigirl @hlehyaric I just looked into this and found lots of disheartening discussions, but there is this comment in the github repo for Tampermonkey:
https://github.com/Tampermonkey/tampermonkey/issues/644#issuecomment-742680842
And this is the relevant change in MV3 that is worrying for the type of extension:
https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/intro/mv3-migration/#remotely-hosted-code
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@guigirl said in The Register article on latest Manifest v3 status.:
could v3 also basically kill aesthetic extensions like stylus
Fortunately, this is Vivaldi. I would think that userscripts and userstyles are on the Vivaldi team's to-do list. Userscripts/styles are a lot more secure then traditional extensions, after all!
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@jochen01 Simple, Firefox, the only one that cares.
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@guigirl I’m really hoping Vivaldi will do the same.
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@code3 That doesn’t matter much, because all extensions previously using the api will either disappear from chrome webstore, or switch to declarative netrequest. Vivaldi would have to build up their very own extension store for this to make a difference. But this is all in the future, manifest version 2 isn’t disappearing that fast.
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@luetage Maybe, but some extension developers will still have a crx file for the extension.
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Updated EFF commentary on Manifest V3.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/11/manifest-v3-open-web-politics-sheeps-clothing
Still no reason for optimism here afaict [wrt eg, uBO].
