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[jon]

@pauloaguia , feel free to put your suggestions into the bug tracker. We use the same system for bugs and feature requests.

[pauloaguia]

@jon thanks, will do.
The fact that the issue can only be classified as "problem / defect" or "exploitable security vulnerability" threw me off into thinking there would be another place for the feature requests.

[Ayespy]

@felagund Per my testing, there are some performance issues, and although there is no data loss I've seen, there are some issues with possible database corruptions and hidden or "misplaced" emails (which, alone, would prevent release). Further, there are at least two critical (and difficult to build) features missing. That said, I use it as my default on a number of machines.

[Folgore101]

@pauloaguia I totally agree.

@Ayespy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

@felagund Per my testing, there are some performance issues, and although there is no data loss I've seen, there are some issues with possible database corruptions and hidden or "misplaced" emails (which, alone, would prevent release). Further, there are at least two critical (and difficult to build) features missing. That said, I use it as my default on a number of machines.

Can you use it as a default? Do you use POP, IMAP or both? I think i understand the shortcomings you mean, probably the ones that prevent me from using it as a default.
In addition to the latest versions i find a very annoying problem that i have already reported, now i'm going to ask if they were able to reproduce it.

[Ayespy]

@Folgore101 I've not yet set up a POP account, tho I think I'm about to. One server I need to fetch from, and which GMail has become broken on, can/should be fetched POP, I'm pretty sure. But I have 5 IMAP accounts, from 3 servers, and they all work fine.

[Folgore101]

@Ayespy Ok i confirm that IMAP works well, it's with the POP accounts that i find some anomalies including the bug i asked about.

[Ayespy]

@Folgore101 Ah.

[thekingmen]

@Crimsonshade hahah I read that as the endless 12.x opera release . I had to use that one like 2 years on linux because the team did not want to release the newer (bumped to 15.x and using blick engine) to linux.

[felagund]

@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

@thekingmen said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

I had to use that one like 2 years on linux because the team did not want to release the newer

I remember that, on Linux i had hard times with Opera. But that is the past and i do not wake up the dead.

I still use M2 on Linux. Opera 12 started to be almost unuable some years ago because many pages on https just refuse to load - I think they did not bother to update some certificates as they did with Windows.

[jumpsq]

@felagund Yes, ECC (Elliptic Curve Cryptography) is basically unsupported still, which is why I cannot receive all RSS feeds. Even with that in mind, M2 remains the sole best mail+rss client.

But I believe that @Gwen-Dragon is referring to chropera versions on Linux?!

[javicmrs]

Noon:

I have been reading the whole last post about M3 (M2 was the best mail app for me), and I want to say that I am very excited expecting for it, because:

• The native mail app of W10, it is much pretty but slow. I want to uninstall it ASAP.
• The UI of Thunderbird it is really retro, and ugly. It is like travel to the past (Netscape 6). I install it, but after an hour using it, I always uninstall Thunderbird.
• Mailspring could be one of the best mail app today, but it has not calendar integration (by the moment) and although you must to login for use it, it does not save the servers configuration.

Anyway, I would like to ask if M3 will have "account configuration sincro". I want to say: if I login in Vivaldi Browser, it will download/import the configuration of M3 mail services in the cloud?.

Cheers!

(I apologise for my English)

[Ayespy]

@javicmrs That's an interesting question (will it sync settings) and at the present state of development, no. It will not. It has to be set up for each instance of Vivaldi, separately. Whether this could be built in to Vivaldi Sync at some point is a valid question, and one which I will seek an answer to.

[Ayespy]

@javicmrs I'm informed that synchronizing such settings is something Vivaldi would like to pursue.

[verdi]

Hello there.

Using Vivaldi since it was released. Expectation to get refresh Opera mail client was the main reason to install the browser. I remember how i was happy when I found Mail icon in one of the early releases BUT mail is still not avaliable... 3 years (more than) past...

Ok. What the current real situation? What changed since 08 May 2020 (<- date of late message in this thread)?

[Ayespy]

@verdi Nothing changed since May, except that we are closer to release than ever. Literally dozens of bugs and features have been addressed. M3 is my default mail client, very reliable, and quite robust. It has a lower memory footprint than M2 did, believe it or not - which is surprising because Presto was more resource-thrifty than Chromium.

The only thing is, the mail project is so vast, yet so detail-sensitive and fussy, that it is taking much longer to get raw-public-ready than originally assumed, partly because no matter how refined it is on release, there will be traits that are sure to drive someone crazy, and the Mail team will, without a doubt, be overwhelmed with bug reports and feature requests. That tsunami should be minimized to the greatest degree possible, partly by ensuring that no user, anywhere, suffers a catastrophic failure and loses many, or all, of their emails. Data loss is an annoyance in a browser. It can even be a severe annoyance. With email, as it can contain one's life or business records, data loss is unacceptable.

All that said, I think we may be nearer to release than one might fear.

[brixomatic]

@Ayespy said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:

That tsunami should be minimized to the greatest degree possible, partly by ensuring that no user, anywhere, suffers a catastrophic failure and loses many, or all, of their emails. Data loss is an annoyance in a browser. It can even be a severe annoyance. With email, as it can contain one's life or business records, data loss is unacceptable.

As long as there is a backup functionality that allows you to do a daily backup, most people will be able to live with a certain risk.
It should not be so hard to create a database that allows for a certain amount of "undo", i.e. rolling back each step. It might be wasteful first, but the more confidence grows, the less frequent that feature will be needed until it's finally either not needed anymore, or can be transformed into some kind of daily backup.

I personally have my mail copied from a vanity address to my provider's address and there I view it locally, where my Opera M2-mail client buffers it, also by cell phone has some buffer and there I can read my mail too, that's not so uncommon. So whatever happens to my mail locally in "M3", I'd not go broke because of it. I think I'm not the only one who has some redundancy in their mail chain.
I'm not afraid to use a version that isn't perfect yet. I remember the days when M2 was young. As long as you tell people what to expect, you should trust these people to make a conscious decision. These early adopters will help you to find problems that your QA couldn't find and they will make your product better.

[jdvernet]

@brixomatic RE: email backup

Probably my favorite was Powermail which would save your entire mailbox as a .txt file. Small, portable, and can be read by pretty much anything.

[morla]

I seriously suspect that Vivali team have strayed from the idea.
I don't think neither stability is a big issue nor unpredictable problems are worth to 5 years.

@Ayespy catastrophic failure? I had lost my laptop, one of stolen one of broken .. formatted windows several times.
I know how you feel too. But this is not a valid argument . If M3 was released 5 years before or if it will be released 5 years later you may expect feature request and bug fix tsunami

In any case, it'a great job. Hope to see M3 soon

[Folgore101]

@morla Don't worry, they haven't strayed from the initial idea. They have created a stable base and are now integrating the most important features, unfortunately it takes time.
Surely at first it won't make everyone happy, maybe because after so many years the expectations will be very high, but it has all the potential to become a great product. I'm very tempted to use it for my primary accounts but it's still a little too early.
As @Jon said, it's only a matter of time before it's in a snapshot.

[ghpy]

@Folgore101 said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
As @Jon said, it's only a matter of time before it's in a snapshot.

I hope it will be soon and not only in form of a snapshot as Opera + M2 give more trouble each month. Most M2-users will probably be forced to use a standalone mail-client if M3 takes much more time to come.