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@Gwen-Dragon Glad to hear that. Have 12 years of email worth of loading
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@Gwen-Dragon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
Importing from M2 in Vivaldi M3 will come
Besides contacts, I assume this will just mean looking at IMAP account settings from accounts.ini (and the signatureN.txt files they point to) to create the IMAP accounts fresh in M3.
I assume no importing of the message cache and sync ids, IMAP folder subscriptions and designations from incomingN.txt, view settings for IMAP folders from index.ini, drafts and outbox messages (which are local-only) from the message store , and local-only sent message (for messages sent without an IMAP sent folder set). I also assume no importing of labels and the IMAP messages that are in them from index.ini, the indexer and database. I assume the only chance for labeled messages will be automatic from the IMAP server if keywords are set on the messages and M3 makes use of them.
I also assume no support for importing mbox files from POP accounts (from pop store/accountN folders) to an IMAP account folder to upload them to the server.
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@burnout426 I mean that is a possibility, but what are your assumptions based on? I could very well see that vivaldi just imports the mail storage as is, since the format makes a lot of sense (year/month/date folders) and .mbs files are pretty much just plain text and fast to parse.
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@jumpsq said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
@burnout426 I mean that is a possibility, but what are your assumptions based on? I could very well see that vivaldi just imports the mail storage as is, since the format makes a lot of sense (year/month/date folders) and .mbs files are pretty much just plain text and fast to parse.
I mean that is a possibility, but what are your assumptions based on?
M3 is only supposed to have IMAP (for starters at least). So, the simplest thing would be to just read account.ini settings for IMAP accounts to set up the accounts fresh in M3 and have M3 fetch the messages from the server. (This implies that other types of accounts will be skipped.)
Importing IMAP cached messages and their fetched status (so that M3 wouldn't refetch them from the server) I think would be a pain. You can't rely on the X-Opera-Status header flags in each m2 mbs file as they're not kept up-to-date. You have to read omailbase.dat. And, you have to read the UID file for each IMAP account. I don't see that effort and code being put into M3. Also, UIDs for messages on the server can change sometimes when the server is upgraded. Also, not every mbs file has a Message-ID to go by either. And, there can be multiple messages with the same message id. So, the Message-ID header can't be used for comparison with the copy on the server. Parsing the mbox files wouldn't be bad, but doing the rest would be more complicated and trying to make a correct comparison of a cached message imported from M2 to its copy on the server without m3 fetching the copy on the server would be a pain, imo.
As for importing pop m2 mbs files to an IMAP account of your choice, to upload to the IMAP server, I don't see that as hard. I just assume that's something that's not of concern for an IMAP-only client.
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@burnout426 Fair enough to think that the data structure will be different in the end, but I would still hope that offline messages/accounts can just be imported and kept as well (I just don't want to have all my messages online, and I think that many people would not have enough disk space in their mail accounts to upload everything they kept offline for ages).
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@burnout426 said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
M3 is only supposed to have IMAP (for starters at least).
I don't think so, POP is already there and it works pretty well.
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@burnout426 Looks as though it will be released with IMAP and POP, and the ability to import from OperaM2 is being looked at as well. Any POP3 user who has POP set to delete from server will need that.
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Yes, we have had the chance to add more functionality while we continue to work on stabilization. POP is in. Import is not in as yet. The focus continues to be on stability primarily.
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Cool. Didn't know that. POP users will be happy about that.
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So no M3 in Vivaldi 3.0 ( https://vivaldi.com/blog/snapshots/desktop/vivaldi-3-0-rc-1-desktop/ ), I really hope it gets in in 3.1 but I am fairly sceptical, M3 deserves a major version bump. Wait for 4.0 shall be long, but I am in for a pleasant surprise!
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Our goal is to get out M3 builds ASAP. Clearly M3 warrants a big version jump, but that does not mean that the wait needs to be that long. We have been working on M3 in parallel to our other work and it has been making great progress.
We are still polishing M3 and it still requires some work before it is ready for wider testing.
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I would laugh if M3 were launched quickly now and we went from 3.0 to 4.0 without any minor version bump in between, especially after 12 "2.x" stable releases. Can't say I see that happening though ^^
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@Crimsonshade I think they will use the same procedure used for Sync, M3 will be inserted in vivaldi://experiments/, will be perfected for a couple of versions and then it will be released stable.
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@jon I can only hope it will be good enough to need only few fixes to be perfect and not something chropera did or aggregating services do with their terrible interfaces
M2 was close to perfect
I mean, in the worst case I have extension I'm using now but would be disappointing to see so much time and work used on something that brings no value
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@zakius Please enlighten me, what does chropera do? It does not have an integrated IMAP/SMTP client, does it?
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@zakius , if you liked M2, I am pretty sure you are going to love M3.
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Let's see if I can say this without spilling any beans
As a translator I was given access to a version of Vivaldi to test the translations in near realtime, without having to wait days for the next snapshot version. That version "happens" to include M3 (I'm guessing the jon as mentioned several times in this topic already).A few weeks ago I finally decided to give M3 a decent try, so I could see what I was translating. I was astonished at how some things felt so natural again all of the sudden, despite the fact that I stopped using M2 so many years ago (my main reasons at the time, if I remember correctly, were the fact that Opera removed it from the browser and the lack of RSS sync). It is still not production ready for sure and I it lacks features that some won't be able to live without (and I guess it always will), but it does feel like I found an old friend who I had lost contact with.
@jon I've been posting some bugs in the bug tracker (at least that's what I hope the "Report a problem" feature in the Help menu does :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes: ) but is there somewhere or someone I can send some constructive feedback to? Feedback that is not bug related, I mean. Or should it just go to the Feature Requests board? Or should I just stay put and wait until it shows up in the snapshots?
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@jumpsq their "RSS reader" not only focuses on displaying ads but also is completely unusable interface-wise
@jon said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
@zakius , if you liked M2, I am pretty sure you are going to love M3.
one thing I missed and remember now was middle-clicking on article list to open original article in new tab (but I really only realized that after switching to Newsfox)
additional webview and parse article to display reader view if content is missing in feed would be loved by many for sure but personally I wouldn't use themsomething I probably would use would be aggregator service support or your own service with public API
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@pauloaguia said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
Let's see if I can say this without spilling any beans
As a translator I was given access to a version of Vivaldi to test the translations in near realtime, without having to wait days for the next snapshot version. That version "happens" to include M3 (I'm guessing the jon as mentioned several times in this topic already).A few weeks ago I finally decided to give M3 a decent try, so I could see what I was translating. I was astonished at how some things felt so natural again all of the sudden, despite the fact that I stopped using M2 so many years ago (my main reasons at the time, if I remember correctly, were the fact that Opera removed it from the browser and the lack of RSS sync). It is still not production ready for sure and I it lacks features that some won't be able to live without (and I guess it always will), but it does feel like I found an old friend who I had lost contact with.
@jon I've been posting some bugs in the bug tracker (at least that's what I hope the "Report a problem" feature in the Help menu does :smiling_face_with_open_mouth_smiling_eyes: ) but is there somewhere or someone I can send some constructive feedback to? Feedback that is not bug related, I mean. Or should it just go to the Feature Requests board? Or should I just stay put and wait until it shows up in the snapshots?
And so do I understand it correctly it sometimes destroys some e-mails still? Or is the performance lagging? Because to my understanding, that would be the two only showstoppers.
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@felagund said in M3 mail & RSS-reader:
And so do I understand it correctly it sometimes destroys some e-mails still? Or is the performance lagging? Because to my understanding, that would be the two only showstoppers.
I can't say I've experienced either... yet.
But it's neither yours or mine understanding that matter in this case
